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Stop this nonsense. Not everything that isn't exactly according to Stallman's vision is the devil. Black and white thinking helps no one.

http://llvm.org/docs/DeveloperPolicy.html#license

To others: I presume what the parent comment is complaining about is that companies are legally allowed to modify the llvm source and distribute those binaries without source code.

This is not a bad thing, unless you're an open source zealot.

From the URL above:

> We intend to keep LLVM perpetually open source and to use a liberal open source license.

and

> We believe this fosters the widest adoption of LLVM because it allows commercial products to be derived from LLVM with few restrictions and without a requirement for making any derived works also open source (i.e. LLVM’s license is not a “copyleft” license like the GPL).

This is reasonable.



The current leaders of the LLVM project intend to keep it open.

They have also traded away a way to encourage others to keep it open in return for wider adoption.

Interpret that as you will.


rms himself has "traded away a way to encourage others to keep it open in return for wider adoption" in the past. It's called being pragmatic.

It's always fun to see people being more papist than the pope, though.


Yes, in some circumstances that's true. For example, recently I think it was a GNU codec library that was released under a permissive license, because there are plenty of proprietary video codec libraries and for a free format to win, a permissively-licensed library is useful.

But Stallman put the GCC under the GPLv3.

So I don't think your comments re: papacy are terribly on-point.


"They have also traded away a way to encourage others to keep it open in return for wider adoption."

s/encourage/force/

If you have to force people to do what you want, who cares. Leading is about getting people to go in a direction they may not want to go. Not pushing them off a cliff.


Your reply and others' reply makes me wish I could read the post. This [flagkilled] is just complete nonsense.


Luckily, you can do this on your own! Go to https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=nashashmi (while you are logged in as 'nashashmi') and set "showdead" to "yes".

Many of us read the site always in this manner. While arguably this post (and a small but significant minority of others) are false positives, I find that most of the [flagkilled] posts are removed for good reason. The current system has flaws, but is not "complete nonsense".




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