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Shit Men Say to Women Founders (modelviewculture.com)
21 points by danpalmer on April 9, 2014 | hide | past | favorite | 16 comments


"most white cis straight men in tech seem to think"

Is this an expression that automatically made sense to anyone? I had to look it up, and I think I learned that /cis/ is short for /cisgender/ or /cissexual/ which is something like a word for "never been gay, never even thought about it."

As a "straight white guy" I really had to struggle to read this post and interpret it without picturing the authors as the Womyn protesters from the movie PCU, all grown up and in serious business some years later. I am sure that a lot of women and men struggle to be taken seriously in their work, and having never been asked any of these questions, but simply from working in IT where you often are receiving a lot of questions even from higher-up people that are seemingly inane or obvious, I can sympathize with all of this.

I will defer to your experience since you have obviously started a business, and I have not, but having been just made the target of your message that "all of you people think just the same, and we /just can't wait/ to answer more of your dumb questions we've heard a hundred times before," I honestly don't have much to say to you now at all, or any remaining interest in helping you or hearing about your projects.

So, good job alienating at least 25% of the national population!


Male founder here too and I've heard most of these also. I usually like the "totally obvious idea" one. It's rarely dead-on but it commonly gives me a new related idea.


Number 1 is a bit thin-skinned, or I have been inadvertantly insulting a lot of people with well-funded, well-staffed "projects."


haha glad to see modelviewculture has finally embraced the destiny it was born for - as spammy link bait top 10 list blog with regurgitated content. I guess this was truly the one trick SEO consultants didn't want you to know.

By the way, as a male founder I've heard every single one of these multiple multiple times.


None of this is gender-specific at all. Pointless linkbait.


I think a few could very definitely be said in a sexist way, more information on the context needed though.

The one I found most interesting was the one about non-profits and charities. I don't consider women to be more likely to start these sorts of companies (I don't know the numbers though), but I can sort of see where that might come from, and I can totally see how that could be insulting to a female founder.


The problem is these patriarchal cis-scum aren't actually making shit up to trigger her. The federal government gives contract preference to women-owned businesses, and there are incredibly valuable grants available to encourage des entrepeneuses.

Instead of just wigging out in markdown, she might have considered asking them what the hell they were talking about; it could have helped her business. Life is easier in general when you assume conversations are being held in good faith.

Speaking of good faith conversation, your traffic numbers are not a business secret, and your conversation partner does not actually give a shit. This is just the modern version of "so how are sales these days?"


Anyone who takes offense to "Good luck with your project" seems like a thoroughly unpleasant person.


im a male cofounder and have been on the receiving end of 80% of this. The project one gets to me every time.


I founded a company in 2003 and I heard almost every one of these. Some of them from women.


Should be called "Shit that the Uniformed Say to Founders of any Gender"


Yet another round of buzzword bingo. I paused at "shit", searched for "white", "straight", "cis", found all three, and quickly closed the tab.


TIL that males in business never receive patronising or stupid comments.


It's link-baity and disingenuous to generalize around gender here [in this article].


This is basically "shit men say to everyone who runs any business." It's also "shit women say to each other" and really just "shit people say."

But I guess a whiney blog post is helping.


> most white cis straight men

Stopped reading there.

This is straight out hate speech.

Shit like this has no place on this site.

There has been a concerted effort by SJWs over the past few months to spam more and more of their hate speech on this site, and stricter measures should be taken against them.




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