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I live in Melbourne Australia and I have got to say, this is the first reaction I had as well. The imagery used on their website was frankly shocking. My first response was "WTF! Is this really how Americans see their police? Is their job to charge round shooting people?"

Compare and contrast the pictures used on the 'about' page of the Victoria police website:

http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=3

With the images on the same section of the Milwaukee police website:

http://www.milwaukeepolicenews.com/#menu=about-page

What do the two different pictures say about how the police view themselves and their job? Looking at the images how do you think the two police departments relate to the community they serve? What type of potential recruits would be attracted to the Victoria police VS Milwaukee police?



"WTF! Is this really how Americans see their police?

I live in Wisconsin, in a small town of 20,000.

Our police department has an armored car, with a mount for a water cannon. We've got a TAC [1] team. Our cops carry rifles in the trunks of their patrol cars.

Elsewhere you can find comparable sized police departments that have .50 machine guns, armored personel carriers.

So .. yeah. That's not how we see the police.

It's how they are.

[1] A TAC team is not a SWAT team, although the only difference I can see is our TAC team is only a part-time deal for the officers.


I live in a small Pennsylvania borough with an operating budget of about $1 mil/year (this includes all services for the entire borough of 3-4 precincts).

Our police department is 8 full-time officers and 3 part-time officers with I believe 2 full-time admin/support staff in the office. We have 5 cruisers, 4 SUVs and at the last borough council meeting the council approved the purchase of a 6th brand new cruiser and a new fleet of AR-15 style rifles for the officers.

Because America.


Because America.

Well .. because politics, because 9/11, because War On Drugs.

new fleet of AR-15 style rifles

Most police officers are better armed and equipped for patrol than I was when I was on sentry duty at Marine Barracks in the 80s.

Something is amiss here.


During all your years on sentry duty, how often did you find yourself in situations where you needed to shoot someone? Do the police find themselves in that situation more frequently (or are they significantly more likely to)?

Also, in the event that you did, how far away was your nearest armed support? Sixty seconds? Less?


'Needed' might be the wrong word.

Three times in 2 3/4 years I had a weapon drawn, round in the chamber.

Twice I did not have a target. Once, I did but he obligingly put his hands up when ordered.

how far away was your nearest armed support? Sixty seconds? Less?

Depended on the sentry post, other factors. Sometimes right behind me. Other times minutes away, at best.

If your point is that police are more likely to encounter bad guys than a Marine guarding strategic assets .. maybe.

How does the police department owning a armored personnel carrier help a patrol officer at a traffic stop? How often does your average Mayberry police department encounter bad guys who can only be overcome by a SWAT team?


"How does the police department owning a armored personnel carrier help a patrol officer at a traffic stop?"

And how does the USN carrying nuclear weapons help you check passes at the gate?

That aside, yes, my suggestion was that the police are more likely to need the firepower than you were, and were more likely to have to get by on their own for longer before support turned up.


Supposedly most cops will go through their careers never drawing their weapons on duty. Don't know if it's true, but I've read it.

I've had 'most' cops beat by the time I was 21 and I wasn't even trying.


It is not so much how Americans see their police. It is more a case of how America's local police forces see themselves. The militarization of local law enforcement is a long term trend which began in the 1970's. At the time it was portrayed in a popular TV drama, Los Angeles's Special Weapons And Tactics (SWAT) team arose as a tool for a massive metropolitan area.

Today, even small towns have trained snipers.

The website is simply branding itself to potential recruits and marketing itself to those who fund it. A picture of an officer talking to an elderly lady isn't going to attract young adults nor support a training budget for automatic weapons marksmanship.


"A picture of an officer talking to an elderly lady isn't going to attract young adults"

I disagree. It wouldn't attract young adults with fantasies of paramilitary action and an urge to wear uniform and wave guns around. There are many other kinds of young adults who will be attracted by the idea of responsible public service and being a helpful part of the community. Clearly, the decision has been made about which kind of recruit to attract; ironically, exactly the kind of person I'd least like to have authority and weapons.


That's a worry, given that Victorian police have a history of shooting criminals dead.


This is not an official photo of the Toronto Police, but it has been widely circulated since...

http://twistedsifter.com/2011/07/picture-of-the-day-cops-in-...


War on Drugs.

Militarization of the police because we took the most violent route in trying to control the "illegal" drugs.




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