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> Then you look up their IP address's abuse contact, send an email and get them to either stop attacking you or get booted off the internet so they can't attack you.

You will be surprised on how many ISPs will not respond. Sure, Hetzner will respond, but these abusers are not using Hetzner at all. If you actually studied the actual problem, these are residential ISPs in various countries (including in US and Europe, mind you). At best the ISP will respond one-by-one to their customers and scan their computers (and at this point the abusers have already switched to another IP block) and at worst the ISP literally has no capability to control this because they cannot trace their CGNATted connections (short of blocking connections to your site, which is definitely nuclear).

> And if that doesn't happen, you go to their ISP's ISP and get their ISP booted off the Internet.

Again, the IP blocks are rotated, so by the time that they would respond you need to do the whole reporting rigomarole again. Additionally, these ISPs would instead suggest to blackhole these requests or to utilize a commercial solution (aka using Cloudflare or something else), because at the end of the day the residential ISPs are national entites that would quite literally trigger geopolitcal concerns if you disconnected them.



These the same residential providers that people complain cut them off for torrenting? You think they wouldn't cut off customers who DDoS?


> These the same residential providers that people complain cut them off for torrenting?

Assume that you are in the shoes of Anubis users. Do you have a reasonable legal budget? No? From experience, most ISPs would not really respond unless either their network has become unstable as a consequence, or if legal advised them to cooperate. Realistically, at the time that they read your plea the activity has already died off (on their network), and the best that they can do is to give you the netflows to do your investigation.

> You think they wouldn't cut off customers who DDoS?

This is not your typical DDoS where the stability of the network links are affected (this is at the ISP level, not specifically your server), this is a very asymmetrical one where it seemingly blends out as normal browsing. Unless you have a reasonable legal budget, they would suggest to use RTBH (https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en_us/about/security/intelligenc...) or a commercial filtering solution if need be. This even assumes that they're symphatetic to your pleas, at worst case you're dealing with state-backed ISPs that are known not to respond at all.


They’re not cutting you off for torrenting because they think it’s the right thing to do. They’re cutting you off for torrenting because it costs them money if rights holders complain.


> They’re cutting you off for torrenting because it costs them money if rights holders complain.

Yup, I'm assuming that immibis thinks that the ones using Anubis are those ones with high legal budgets, but this is not necessarily the case here.


If it's a cable company then there's also a conflict of interest.




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