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The Apple Watch has it's own CPU, RAM, display, potentially even cell signal. Why should it need an iPhone to work? Should your Honda motorcycle stop working if you get rid of your Civic?


This is a fair point. It should not need an iPhone. I think it did in the first several generations but not today.

I suspect forcing Apple to allow this device to operate without an iPhone (even lacking features that might reasonably require an iPhone) could come out of this.


Apple Watch doesn’t stop working if you get rid of your iPhone either, they sell models with an internal cell connection for exactly this reason, so what exactly is the problem?

again, seems like half these threads are ideologue android fanboys who think there’s not a file browser or think you can’t sideload an app but are hellbent on banning the thing they don’t understand anyway.


The problem is deliberate lock in

Ok, so maybe it means no app store, but general rx/tx between an Android & Apple Watch is far from a difficult task, if Apple wanted that.

They don't and that is the problem


Pretty sure my PlayStation 5 controller has its own CPU, RAM, wireless radio, speaker, microphone. Needs a PlayStation 5 in order to function.

Does Sony have a monopoly?


You can use the PS5 controller with a PC quite easily - across the three major OSes


> Needs a PlayStation 5 in order to function.

No it doesn’t. You can use a PS5 controller on Windows and all current Apple operating systems.


Also baked into the Linux kernel.


Actually Sony does have a monopoly on the Playstation market. A monopoly is not in itself illegal. The first question is whether Sony has used that monopoly illegally or defended the monopoly illegally. Second, even if it has, the question is if the harm caused by it is worth even pursuing Sony.

Most likely neither are true for Sony but even if it is, it should be self apparent that distorting the smartphone market, or even the iPhone market, devices which are almost essential parts of modern day living can cause orders of magnitude greater harm than anything Sony could do in the game console market, which is much smaller, much narrower, and far less important.

And all this ignores that the DoJ's filing is about antitrust issues beyond just monopoly issues.


Best shot yourself in the foot argument so far. Sony Entertainment is actually bringing the controller and the games to pc. The controller's unique features are also actually usable


> Needs a PlayStation 5 in order to function.

Is that true? I’m pretty sure they will connect up to desktops and work fine there with no PlayStation around.


I get the point, but it's watered down by your example which isn't true. I'm happily using a PlayStation controller on everything _except_ a PlayStation.


I can use a Playstation 5 controller on my PC, so no.


This is a terrible example given the PS5 controller is compatible with Windows machines.


It’s really funny people making so confidentially wrong examples.


Umm....

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/pair-dual...

>How to use DualSense wireless controllers with PC, Mac, Android, and iOS




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