I unfortunately have to agree wholeheartedly

Sure, if you're doing a simple CMS, a simple system (even with Django Auth), Django ORM is fine

If you have anything slightly complex (several relationships between models) watch it fall apart

If Hibernate is one of the "proper" ones, then I can happily declare ORMs to be a non-working, time-wasting, over-complicated POS.

Your post is of limited value. What, in particular, are the issues that you have with Hibernate?

What in particular is it about my question that caused it to be voted down? I'm actually very interested in hearing the issues that the responder is having with Hibernate. Unfortunately, because they haven't stated what it is that caused them so many problems, it's of very limited value to the discussion being had.

I voted you back up. I'm slightly concerned that the down vote was simply retaliatory against the norm which appears to be Common here.

I too would like to understand.