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This is gonna be such a big deal when Apple invents it in 5 years. Can't wait for the MacBook Pro Duo.


One of these with battery life and that ships with an OS that isn’t adware? That would be a big deal.


There have been various rumblings about a "foldable MacBook" in development, I really hope it works a lot like this and not like a foldable phone with a giant crease.


Apple is known to experiment internally with a crazy ammount of concepts, out of which very few make it into actual products for sale.

They're pretty conservative on the types of products they launch and careful enough to not pollute their existing line-up with whacky products that don't fit with their vision of how a product should be used or if it would cannibalize their other products.

Their MacBooks still don't have a touchscreen even though they could easily add a touch digitizer for almost no cost at all but they just don't want to mix touch with laptops for some reason, unlike the PC laptop makers who seem to have no issue adding that.


I don't understand why someone hasn't made a foldable phone without a crease yet. It would be the next phone I buy.


You mean the Microsoft Surface Duo 1 and 2?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/surface-duo-2/9408kgxp4xjl...


The first question will be: Will apple even consider a touch screen notebook in their lineup?


Right, I posted yesterday about using an iPad as a 2nd monitor for nomads [1]. I understand a cheaper alternative is using a USB-C external display.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38957035


Asus announced a 17” portable (foldable) OLED monitor: https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/9/24030378/asus-zenscreen-fo...

Not cheap though.


I've got a 14" lesser-named unit that does very well. Matches my Asus's main screen well enough and is far cheaper (you can get them at ~£80 on offer fairly regularly), works nicely off just USB-C (though has HDMI so it can be used that way instead with USB for just power). Drains the laptop's battery noticeably of course, but if I'm in a position to use it I'm usually near a plug.


Where can I find this monitor?

I have a 13-inch 2.5K monitor and its DPI is too for its size and macOS's fractional scaling doesn't work well. So I'm looking for better options.


As LegitShady said, Amazon, or most other electronics sellers (eBuyer, etc.). The one I have is 14" 1080P (matching my laptop's main screen very closely) from “ARZOPA” but there are several similar on the market (I suspect at least one is exactly the same with a different label…). As you can see from https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/product/B09TVVWFR9 the prices of these things bounce around almost weekly so shop carefully. There are sometimes “vouchers” that don't show up on CamelCamelCamel, I got an extra tenner off at a point when the screen was at ~£90.

There are also a variety of different attachment options, from no attaching to your machine (which I find preferable) to those that attach to your laptop and add two screens, one either side.

Watch out of fly-by-night kickstarter projects in this area, there have been a few in recent years including a monster that promised to add three monitors to your laptop (left, right, top) which I'm surprised people were taken in by (I found the extra weight of one less than convenient, even when sat at a desk, never mind three, hence currently using a stand-alone external screen).


amazon. portable monitors.


I posted yesterday about using an iPad as a 2nd monitor for nomads

There was an app for this back in 2010. I used it quite a bit when I was on the road with an original iPad.

Nearly 15 years later, Apple does it seamlessly and natively in iOS+macOS without any third-party apps is even better.


App: https://astropad.com/product/studio/

Dongle: https://astropad.com/product/lunadisplay/

First turns iPad into Wacom, second is a second screen with features Sidecar doesn't offer, such as reversing for use with teleprompter.


It is natively supported, you don't need any third party app.


Which is exactly what I wrote.


Sorry, it was not clear because your expression "it was an app" normally means and external app if you don't mention its name. Now, you don't need to even know that there is an app, you just go to displays and add the iPad there.


You still haven't read the comment properly. All this was stated explicitly.


Are you sure the comment was not edited in the middle of the discussion?


How well does Sidecar work?

I was considering this, but wound up w/ a Wacom One for my MacBook, mostly since it uses the same stylus technology as all of my other devices (Galaxy Note 10+, Kindle Scribe, Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360).


Exceedingly well.


I’ve used the pair of a 16” MBP and 12.9” iPad running Sidecar while traveling to great success. It’s a surprisingly good approximation of my dual 27” desk setup at home.


I don't see apple making something like this but maybe I'm just not seeing the demand.


You're not seeing the demand for a portable dual screen? At the very least I see a demand for business users.


No, not at all. What's the use case outside of graphic design?


Having your ide open on one while having Teams on the other. your ide and stack overflow. A PDF of a tax document and you tax report program. Just having a bigger screen to to fit your whole LabView diagram. Having your lab homework description on one while you have your code on the other screen.

Don't you ever use two screens?


> Don't you ever use two screens?

My eyes can only look at one thing at a time.


Well, you can argue if it's useful or not, but people do use dual screen setups so there is definitely demand for a dual screen laptop.


Fair enough.


Did you mean "This is gonna be such a big deal when Apple invests in it in 5 years."?


The joke is that something comes along and is in market for a while, but as soon as apple release a version of it everyone acts like it is new and first of a kind and wow aren't apple amazing for this amazing thing! Gee whiz - we've never seen anything like this! Take my money! TAKE MY MONEY!!!

So e.g. MP3 players Vs iPod, smartphones Vs iPhone, tablets Vs iPad, ARM CPUs in computers Vs M-series, wireless charging, Bluetooth headphones etc. All around for years and years prior to apple's products, but most people think apple invented the concepts or was first to make etc

This Asus product will be forgotten about in a month or two and the world moves on. If apple released this exact same thing except with osx everyone including the mainstream media would be losing their shit and talking about ushering a new era of whatever, of breaking the mold, of innovation yada yada. We'd have endless tweets and breathless blog posts here on HN about their ultimate dev productivity set up, how they used it on a flight to create a 1M MRR start-up that just wouldn't have been possible without it, how it has changed their lives, how they'll never go back etc. It's called the reality distortion field for a reason. </M1 MBP User>


Except when Apple invents it, they will do it right. It will be a delight to use and will not harvest your personal data, instead of being gimmicky, malware-infested crud. The iPod was a vast improvement over previous MP3 players, just as the iPhone was over previous (and subsequent non-Apple) smartphones. Apple is just built different as a tech company -- they're the only major tech company that's actually built around putting the user first -- and so that's why people go apeshit over their new products, even if a similar product was released before from other vendors.


> The iPod was a vast improvement over previous MP3 players

This is objectively not true. It was an average product that was heavily marketed.


As someone who had bought and used many portable audio solutions before, I could get an iPod I think you are delusional.

MP3 players were completely garbage, with low space, low battery or extremely expensive and inconvenient if you had to swap flash cards. Let's not even talk about the UI to browse and select music (when there was one at all, if the buttons were serviceable at all). In fact, MP3s were so bad that after a brief stint with an expensive flash card-based MP3 player; I went back to using my mini disc player since it wasn't much bulkier yet more convenient to operate. My brother had an Archos which was laughably bad compared to an iPod at a very close price.

In fact, it took until the iPod Mini for competitors to figure out products that were decently competitive. But at this point, the iPod Nano was right around the corner and would suit the vast majority of users at a very competitive price. Sure, Sony did come up with some sort of equivalent, but it was barely 10 percent cheaper and had none of the friendliness and coolness factor of an iPod.

I do believe that current Apple is resting on its laurel and is just happy raking in loads of cash for what are minor evolutions or me-too products that do not have the value they somehow successfully sell them for.

But to go back on the insanely great period Apple went through with the second Steve Jobs leadership is completely nuts. Apple was ahead of everyone in many things at this point in time and they did it at very competitive/affordable prices for the most part.


>losing their shit

>breathless

Yeeeeeaaaaahhhhh!

You seem, like me, to be one of the few people on this board, who doesn't get breathless or lose their shit for every little announcement.

Or, more pithily and Unix-ily (and hence macOS-ily), my reply to your comment is:

/usr/bin/yes "Yes!"


Pretty sure it was a sarcastic comment because Apple has a penchant for taking existing product and 're-inventing' it as their own.


Yes, but so was mine a sarcastic / humorous comment, which should have been obvious (except to fly-by dumbass downvoting donkey commenters), because who can predict what someone will invent in 5 years? Hence the italics I used.


This is gonna be such a big deal when Apple invents it in 5 years.

The fact that when you see new tech you immediately think "Apple" — even mockingly — tells me that Apple's marketing works.

Can't wait for the MacBook Pro Duo.

You even got the product line and capitalization right.




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