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The limits of this kind of commercial speech are very well settled.

Misleading commercial speech has no first amendment protection.

Tesla is just trying to generate news



Agreed.

First amendment protections should only apply to individuals anyway. Tesla doesn’t have a sane argument here since Tesla is not a person.

(I recognize there’s a whole bag of worms around corporations and attempts to treat them like individuals in the eyes of the law.)


That logic doesn't pass muster. Imagine if a state passed a similar law and then started piling fines on newspapers for misleading reporting.

Clearly, the mere fact that the newspaper is a corporation doesn't dissolve its speech rights (nor should it).


The US Supreme Court says that corporations are people, and therefore every civil right that applies to humans applies to corporations. I suppose that will make things easier for aliens (if they ever move to Earth) to have the same civil/legal rights as humans. I guess replicants will all need to incorporate in order to avoid being slaves (to avoid a Bladerunner future).


The supreme court said that people don't lose their first amendment rights just because they form a political advocacy group.


They also literally said “corporations are people”.


Corporations are groups of people. And citizens united was a political advocacy group.


That's patently false. The Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, for example, doesn't apply to corporations.


Like with the Pepsi jet commercial?


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I read their actual claims. They claim as part of their defenses to California’s various misleading speech regulations are facially invalid under the first amendment.

it might surprise you to learn that this particular thing has actually been litigated before many many years ago, and upheld ever since . they are not facially invalid. They are not invalid at all.

I could also point out that facial invalidity charges are remarkably disfavored.

you can only really win on facial invalidity if every application of the law to everyone would be invalid (rather than an as-applied challenge, which basically says the law is invalid as applied to you).

The defense here is beyond a waste of time. It borders on sanctionable frivolity, and if a court finds that they’re not doing it in good faith, it would be sanctionable.

as for what they’re doing it to generate news or not, you honestly believe that Tesla is above PR?

of course, they are doing it to generate news - if you generate enough PR in your favor, people will push the government to change its mind or drop the case.

This happens in any meaningful lawsuit involving government - there is always a PR campaign with it. You may or may not like it, but it's reality.

Not to mention the defense reads like an Elon tweet, so ...


>Of all people you should read the article or Tesla's actual claims instead of opining on something they didn't claim.

Just because you don't agree with what someone has written does not mean that they didn't read the article.


The actual affirmative defense raised says:

> Specifically, the Complainant’s claim under Cal. Veh. Code § 24011.5 is barred because the statute is facially invalid under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article I, Section 2, of the California Constitution, as a substantial number of the statute’s applications impermissibly restrict constitutionally protected speech that is truthful and nonmisleading. The Complainant’s claims under Cal. Veh. Code § 24011.5, Cal. Civ. Code § 1770(a)(5), Cal. Code Regs. Title 13 § 260.00, and Cal. Veh. Code § 11713(a) are also barred because these statutes and regulations, as applied to Tesla in this proceeding, are unconstitutional under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article I, Section 2, of the California Constitution, as they impermissibly restrict Tesla’s truthful and nonmisleading speech about its vehicles and their features.

Now, to be fair, you have to raise every defense you might want to raise at some point in the litigation in the answer to the complaint, so just because it's listed as an affirmative defense doesn't necessarily mean Tesla is actually going to use that defense. But given that it's the first affirmative defense raised, it does feel like Tesla is going to very strongly litigate this argument.

But this is commercial speech, plain and simple, and the First Amendment is widely agreed to permit these kind of restrictions on commercial speech. It's not even close; SCOTUS won't even bother hear to the case should Tesla be stupid enough to appeal it that far.


If we had a normal Supreme Court right now, I’d agree.

They’ve been unilaterally reversing decisions that are decades old, and some of the justices are openly accepting bribes then failing to recuse themselves on related cases.

Musk certainly has enough cash to buy a few votes. I’m not sure if it’ll be enough to eliminate regulation of commercial speech, but I wouldn’t be surprised, given how popular that would be with politically-connected propagandists in the US.


> Also the "logic" of "Tesla is just trying to generate news" because they are fighting government in court is just...

Is just what?




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