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What do you call a nation that spends 800B on the military while their infrastructure rots, routinely sponsors coups all over their hemisphere and maintains an aggressive forward military posture all over the planet?

A democracy.


A democracy is a form of government where citizens pick who is in charge.

You can have pacifist government against war. You can have the opposite.

Norway is a democracy but doesn't have an aggressive miliary posture. The US has the largest army and probably spends 800b on their military.

Authoritarian government manage by suppressing their own people. This requires an aggressive military presence locally. All of the conditions above could be true as well for these types of governments.


There's polling numbers on all this. You can check popular approval of imperial wars in the US (it is low), or you can check Chinese approval of their government (it is high).


Ah yes, the extremely reputable self-reporting from Chinese citizens, who absolutely have no fear for their safety should they say the wrong thing. Of course the Chinese love the CCP, they all say so!


Go talk to some Chinese people, then, do your own research.

Just don't call them brainwashed while uncritically swallowing a story about how we're all free and they're all oppressed, no matter what they say about it.


Hmm maybe once China decides to get rid of it's Muslim concentration camps I'll take a visit and ask around. Until then, it's pretty clear to me which government is objectively worse.


The USA has made life objectively worse for a much larger number of Muslims than China has over the past few decades


Approval of their government compared to what? What is the alternative? Chaos?

In a democracy you have many parties and points of view which would naturally lead to lower popularity as it spreads over many ideas. Each takes turns and this system renews ideas.


You ever see that photo of the bund in Shanghai in 1990 and then in 2010?

Why is it so hard to believe people are happy with this?


The only photo I remember from China in 1990 is the Tiananmen square photo of the guy standing up to the tank.

Did you see that photo in China?


Sorry, I thought you were trying to understand why Chinese people might be happy with their government after you add it all up. If it's just cold war arguments and demonization, I can't help you with that.

Consider, even if you're that hardcore about it, 'know your enemy' has some value. They understand us but we don't understand them, and sometimes it's willful on our part. We'd rather tell ourselves a story.


They are either happy with society by extension the government or they are selfish for not thinking about others.

I don't think happy with the government is a concept. The question becomes are you happy with society


This is not a competition, both countries can be in a dire state politically.


What do you think the word democracy means? None of that is incompatible with being a democracy.

That's not a defense of those actions, but there's an incredibly bizarre trend these days to act as if words don't have any actual meaning beyond their mood affiliation. Just pick a word from a vaguely-related grab bag ("living wage", "misinformation", "democratic", white supremacy ") and hurl it blindly at the conversation and you get all the retweets you want.


Do you think there can be good authoritarian regimes? Or is democracy the only way?


Let's say there can be - is China one?


If you admit that, the issue becomes actual reality, not authoritarianism per se, and the comparison between the US and China becomes very uncomfortable when democracy is no longer a crutch.


What the hell are you talking about? China is currently undergoing an active genocide.


It must be a serious indictment that an active genocide causes less fatalities than the war in Iraq, then.


Look up the definition of genocide. Mass killing is not a requirement.


If the supremacy of democracy is not absolute, then who's to judge whether China is or is not one?


"Good" is such a subjective term. Even the worst totalitarian governments are good for some percentage of the population. Even the best democratic ones have people who are struggling against the system and would regard it as evil.

I live in New Zealand and there are people driving around thinking we are a communist country and feeling oppressed by government. They express as much through the signs and stickers all over their vehicles.

I wish that good and evil existed in a measurable way but I fear that we live in a world of grey and everyone sees the shades differently from their different perspectives.


So? TikTok is just an app, what is point?


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Then you must have been fine with Trump trying to ban the app then?

> The point is that a company that is controlled by an authoritarian regime

Hard evidence for this claim? Is TikTok Inc, controlled by China?




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