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> Knowing an additional language doesn't have that effect, believe it or not.

This seems absurd. Being able to have a conversation is orders of magnitude more effective than the mimicry and hand signals that must be resorted to when you truly don't speak the same language.

> languages have political and aesthetic functions.

Right, but politics and aesthetics are also ideas that are transferred via language. It's really just a protocol. What was lost when most European languages adopted the Latin alphabet? Or when the Chinese empire standardized the writing system?

> Take a rhyme, for example

What additional information is transferred in a rhyme? What meaning?

> a reductionist misconception on your part.

What can you do with language that does not constitute the expression of a thought or an idea?



> This seems absurd. Being able to have a conversation is orders of magnitude more effective than the mimicry and hand signals that must be resorted to when you truly don't speak the same language.

How does my point contradict that? I am saying that knowing an additional language takes nothing away. I speak English to you because I understand that we both understand it. That hasn't made me forget my mother tongue. That is to say, knowing (and using) an additional language didn't have the effect on me that I couldn't communicate with people that don't understand my mother tongue.

> Right, but politics and aesthetics are also ideas that are transferred via language.

Point is that language itself can constitute a political message or an aesthetic expression.

> What was lost when most European languages adopted the Latin alphabet? Or when the Chinese empire standardized the writing system?

Writing is an expression in itself, hence things like calligraphy and type setting. We perceive it and meaning is derived from our impressions of it. What was lost, insofar that writing systems were actually lost, was probably many lifetimes' worth of calligraphic tradition, especially in China where calligraphy is considered a very important art form, though I'm sure many of these traditions are still maintained by enthusiasts.

> What additional information is transferred in a rhyme? What meaning?

I don't see how this question can come from anything but a position of total philistinism, so I probably misunderstand it. Rhyme and rhythm in general is rhetorically and aesthetically useful so as to make an expression impactful, evocative and memorable, or simply funny and delightful. You may have heard of music and poetry. What happens when you take away the meter and rhythm from song or poetry? Information is definitely lost. If I hear a limerick, and you here an prosaic retelling of the exact same circumstances, I know something which you don't. Whether this information is useful or actionable to you is another question.

Have you heard of puns? They get lost in translation. Perhaps to Siri and Alexa it didn't matter in the first place, but it did to me and (hopefully) you.

> What can you do with language that does not constitute the expression of a thought or an idea?

You misread me. My objection isn't with the notion that language is a tool to express thoughts and ideas, but with the notion that it's a transparent protocol for doing so rather than something that is inherently part of the expression. The thoughts and ideas can be—and frequently are—colored by the language itself. Because there is music and poetry in the English language that is basically inexpressible in other languages without great artistic license, if we forget English, that work is lost.




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