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Neither you nor the poster provide a reason why. Why is it better? How does plain text make it faster to respond? Or even faster to read?


A well formatted html email has the potential to be much more readable than any plaintext one. The issues come in execution.

I find that a very large percentage of the html email I receive is actually hurting readability by way of formatting.

On top of that, a sizable percentage who send html email fail to take accessibility into account and leave out important elements like alt tags.


> I find that a very large percentage of the html email I receive is actually hurting readability by way of formatting.

This is exactly right. In principle, html is just as convenient, but in practice it regularly fails. Something I really hate is a message with big images that add nothing. If I have to scan a message to figure out what's being said, there's a high probability I will leave it for later, which means it never gets read at all.


I would say that the real performance drain is top posting, which seems to go hand in hand with HTML emails.

With top posting, in order to read a mail - especially one that is a few levels deep in a thread - becomes an exercise in jumping back and forth, trying to find context and make sense of who replies to what, finding relevant sentences (often hidden in a mess of signatures).

With bottom posting and proper curated quoting, context is a glance away, and it's easy to see who said what in reply to what.

I'm sure this would be possible with HTML mails as well, but I've never seen it happen. It's all just a mess of hard to find information in the least sensible order imaginable.


Top posting is orthogonal to the email's format. I've received plenty of top posts in plain text way back when.

Not doing top posting literally has confused recipients of my mails (almost all instances).

So now I'm a top poster as well: i use emails to communicate, not to confuse.


A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.

Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

A: Top-posting.

Q: What is the most annoying thing in email?


> Q. Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

It is not, so long as you first quote the relevant part you are replying to.

At some point you can also trim the tail as you see fit (I don't find it necessary because my mail client does a good enogh job at hiding that part unless I click on a "show wverything" button.

> 2019-07-24 10:50 earthboundkid wrote:

> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

>> 2019-07-23 23:55 someonelse wrote:

>> A: Top-posting.

>>> 2019-07-23 22:00 first guy wrote:

>>> Q: What is the most annoying thing in email?


That's called interleaved posting and it's the preferred style: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_styl...


I stand corrected.

Technically it appears that I'm advocating for a combination of inline and top posting. Quoting the relevant wikipedia part:

> The interleaved reply style can also be combined with top-posting: selected points are quoted and replied to, as above, and then a full copy of the original message is appended.


No. Always top post. This isn't 1990s USENET.

The reason why is because many clients fold emails that have redundant text in them -- and may hide bottom or interleaved posts within the fold.

Modern clients assume the "Outlook style" -- HTML formatted email, top posting. If you want your message to be read, use this style.


> proper curated quoting

Indeed, it would be nice if the netizens of the world would wake up to this. Sadly, I think it's unlikely to improve any time soon and so I'll stick to top posting and threading in the email client.


it's 99% psychological but I also 100% agree. Just posted a top level comment about how it has absolutely changed my life with regards to email. If you're having trouble keeping up with email and aren't afraid of the command line i _highly_ recommend using a cli client. Neomutt is a bitch to set up because there aren't any good action oriented docs, but it's been worth every bit of effort. There are other clients that are much easier to set up (like alpine) but neomutt has so much power and for me being able to write in markdown and convert to HTML for normal folks was a requirement.

the 1% that isn't psychological is how much faster _everything_ is when dealing with a plaintext client (neomutt in my case). "Power Users" use the keyboard to navigate gmail. Normal (neo)mutt users use those _all_ the time and they're faster because there's so much less for the computer to do with each keystroke.


  images loading..2%
  images loading..15%
  images loading..29%
  images loading..42%
  images loading..58%
  images loading..74%
  images loading..89%
  images loading..100%
   ____________________________________
  |                                    |
  |                                O O |
  |                                 O  |
  |                                \_/ |
  |             MY LOGO                |
  |          My catchphrase            |
  |                                    |
  |                                    |
  |                                    |
  |------------------------------------|
  |                                    |
  |  Hi josho!                         |
  |                                    |
  |  This is why it's slower to read!  |
  |                                    |
  |____________________________________|


This isn't a thing, which makes me think you're arguing in bad faith.

Clients load images asynchronously, and no personal email is sent with a logo and catchphrase header. I've never seen that in my entire life and I've been using email with a lot of people, for a long time.

Formatting is an issue however, and the addition of formatting to email can be useful and add to the conversation.

To take the hn example again, the text portion of your comment is broken on mobile because hn doesn't support proper formatting. This has made your comment harder to read.


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The post is arguing that individuals should switch to sending traditional plain text email, and recommending mail clients that support it well.

Yes, many companies make painful HTML emails, but that's orthagonal to this discussion.


I'm not the original poster however I do believe that the guidelines say to assume good faith.

>Clients load images asynchronously

Many clients actually don't load images by default for privacy reasons requiring another click.

Even if not one reasonably assumes that the image may be relevant and waits for it to load. Half the planet also has a pretty slow connection.

>To take the hn example again, the text portion of your comment is broken on mobile

You see the whole thing either turn your phone sideways or scroll sideways.


A decent email client will load images asynchronously. Many can also be configured to not load remote content at all until you allow it.


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Loading asynchronously != not loading at all.

Asking for permission before rendering external images != not loading at all, even though we could live without external images and just include everything inline.


HTML loads even if images do not, which means you still get formatting, bolding, font sizes, clickable links, tables, etc.


That may be the reason for some people. I disallow loading images until I click, for security and privacy reasons. But I want to see pictures of my aunt's dog if she sends it.


Your comment is plain text and it's terrible to read. So if anything, you're making the opposite point!




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