For the lazy, that unwatch link can be summarized as "israel keeps doing awful things and refuses to stop but the UN is biased against israel because it doesn't condemn hamas in every single resolution that also mentions israel", aka "we know we are doing awful things but Hamas does too stop picking on us!"
> For the lazy, that unwatch link can be summarized as "israel keeps doing awful things and refuses to stop but the UN is biased against israel because it doesn't condemn hamas in every single resolution that also mentions israel", aka "we know we are doing awful things but Hamas does too stop picking on us!"
From the link it states "From 2015 through 2023, the UN General Assembly has adopted 154 resolutions against Israel and 71 against other countries.".
This is clearly a case of extremely blatant bias, no matter how bad you think Israel is, it certainly doesn't deserve twice the resolutions against it than the rest of the world combined. The UN has basically thrown out all credibility when it comes to anything related to Israel.
Not at all, not even remotely. I'm alarmed anyone can sincerely interpret it that way and ignore what prompted those resolutions. It is simply proof that UN resolutions do nothing. Israel continues its abhorrent behavior regardless of how many resolutions happen.
>it certainly doesn't deserve twice the resolutions against it than the rest of the world combined
But it does. I can't see any reason why it doesn't except if you want me to ignore reality.
>The UN has basically thrown out all credibility when it comes to anything related to Israel.
Only because it refuses to do anything of substance to curb its behavior. UNWatch lost any credibility it had when it insists on ignoring reality and arguing that literally salting the earth/water supply of millions and annihilating countless children is something you cannot ever condemn and if you do you are being a bully.
If I keep committing crimes and keep being arrested for those crimes does it make any sense to complain about the police arresting me all the time instead of realizing my own behavior is why I keep being arrested? According to you that makes perfect sense.
> Not at all, not even remotely. I'm alarmed anyone can sincerely interpret it that way and ignore what prompted those resolutions. It is simply proof that UN resolutions do nothing. Israel continues its abhorrent behavior regardless of how many resolutions happen.
UN resolutions do nothing in general, that's not particularly specific to Israel, however the sheer overwhelming amount of them being anti-Israel resolutions is solid evidence of anti-Israel bias.
> But it does. I can't see any reason why it doesn't except if you want me to ignore reality.
There are many horrible conflicts throughout the world(i.e. Sudan, Syria, Myanmar), the Israel-Palestinian conflict is quite far from the worst by virtually all metrics, no reasonable person could ever think twice the amount of UN resolutions against Israel compared to the rest of the world combined is remotely reasonable.
> Only because it refuses to do anything of substance to curb its behavior.
The UN doesn't have much power in general, still doesn't justify the extreme anti-Israel bias especially when there are so many other conflicts that are much worse.
> UNWatch lost any credibility it had when it insists on ignoring reality and arguing that literally salting the earth/water supply of millions and annihilating countless children is something you cannot ever condemn and if you do you are being a bully.
UNWatch is focused on the UN, obviously the conflict has had a lot of terrible back and forth retaliations, did UNWatch deny that ever?
> If I keep committing crimes and keep being arrested for those crimes does it make any sense to complain about the police arresting me all the time instead of realizing my own behavior is why I keep being arrested? According to you that makes perfect sense.
By that logic the Jews being arrested by the Nazi police....should have just accepted their behavior(being Jewish) as being the problem? You're making it out as if the UN is some sort of unbiased law enforcement organization when it is nothing of the sort.
>There are many horrible conflicts throughout the world(i.e. Sudan, Syria, Myanmar)
So? Are you saying no resolutions were passed regarding them?
>the Israel-Palestinian conflict is quite far from the worst by virtually all metrics
By what metrics exactly?
>UNWatch is focused on the UN
Nope. It is focused on pretending Israel has never done anything wrong ever and has been for a while now.
>The UN doesn't have much power in general, still doesn't justify the extreme anti-Israel bias
There is no extreme anti-Israel bias.
>especially when there are so many other conflicts that are much worse.
In the present? No there is not.
>By that logic the Jews being arrested by the Nazi police....should have just accepted their behavior(being Jewish) as being the problem.
Not in the slightest. Please don't intentionally misinterpret what I said to push such a ridiculous and sick idea. That's a ridiculous straw man.
Your retort would only make sense if my hypothetical didn't explicitly state "committing crimes and keep being arrested for them". You know that, you just wanted to to try and vilify me while dodging the question.
To try and dissuade any further attempt to strawman I'll clarify:
If I keep assaulting people on camera and keep being arrested for those assaulting people does it make any sense to complain about the police arresting me all the time instead of realizing my own behavior (assaulting people) is why I keep being arrested? According to you that makes perfect sense.
> So? Are you saying no resolutions were passed regarding them?
I'm saying that those conflicts are significantly worse than the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
> By what metrics exactly?
Deaths and human rights violations to start with.
> It is focused on pretending Israel has never done anything wrong ever and has been for a while now.
Where do you see them doing that?
> In the present? No there is not.
That's just not remotely factually accurate, here's just one to start with:
Sudan with Nearly 25 million affected by famine(far more than the combined population of Israel/Palestine) with 4 million children acutely malnourished(far more than the entire population of Gaza)[0]
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict doesn't even come close to these numbers in terms of deaths and humanitarian issues.
The fact that you think the Israel-Palestinian conflict is the worst conflict in the world right now I think really highlights the issue with bias.
> Your retort would only make sense if my hypothetical didn't explicitly state "committing crimes and keep being arrested for them".
Being Jewish was a crime worthy of arrest in Nazi Germany.
> If I keep assaulting people on camera and keep being arrested for those assaulting people does it make any sense to complain about the police arresting me all the time instead of realizing my own behavior (assaulting people) is why I keep being arrested? According to you that makes perfect sense.
The world has plenty of horrible conflicts, many far worse than the Israel-Palestinian conflict by essentially all metrics, and when the "police"(UN) only seem to care about "arresting"(Making UN resolutions against) Israel it shows how blatantly biased they(the UN) are.
What's right with it? Accounts being generated (i.e. many inauthentic accounts controlled by few people) are always used to send spam, there are no exceptions. The perpetrators should be in prison.
They seem to be one of those individuals who cannot possibly comprehend the idea that many people simply find murder and rape to be horrible, awful acts that shouldn't be inflicted on others and hold that belief without needing to have the fear of god or an ancient collection of texts constantly reminding them to not rape and murder people.
The very idea of a person believing murder and rape to be horrible without a convoluted and often contradicting spiritual belief system is preposterous to them. Hence "rayiner"'s insistence that not treating people like shit simply must be a religious concept because "it sounds religious". These people genuinely believe someone not treating people like shit can only happen if you're terrified of going to hell or something.
They're somewhat rare but not rare enough. They're extremely dangerous people because, after all, the only thing keeping their desire to harm others in check is a fear of an ever elusive supernatural entity punishing them, instead of just simply not having such a desire.
Maybe the above isn't applicable to "rayiner" but people who say not treating people like shit "sounds religious" are almost always that type.
> They seem to be one of those individuals who cannot possibly comprehend the idea that many people simply find murder and rape to be horrible, awful acts that shouldn't be inflicted on others
I’m not denying that some people feel that way. Feelings are real, they’re chemical signals in your brain in response to stimuli. But we agree it’s not more than a feeling, right? And nothing makes the chemical signals in your brain more legitimate than the ones in someone else’s brain? Say we gather up our tribe, clan, nation, whatever. We take a vote based on people’s feelings. And 40% feel like you do, and 60% feel rage at the neighboring tribe/clan/nation and want to violently conquer them and take their resources. We tallied up two sets of chemical signals, and we should pick the more numerous feeling, correct?
Not sure why you're so insistent on avoiding the multiple questions people have asked you that are inconvenient for your narrative.
Why does believing something is right or wrong require religion or is in any way religious?
Why does someone having signals in their brain making them a believer of religion make their beliefs more justified than someone who does not?
Have you ever asked someone why they believe in god or do you just immediately stop questioning the "legitimacy" of their beliefs the moment you realize they believe in religion so they must be right?
People have explained to you why they believe x is wrong, you refuse to accept their answer and insist they "sound religious"
Why, in your opinion, must nonreligious people constantly justify their belief in x being wrong if you don't demand the same of religious people? Double standards.
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