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Common sense would dictate that a military aircraft conducting military operations off the coast of a hostile nation tend to not want to broadcast their position to the world. So not outrageous, just unfortunate. It's extremely common.

I’m sorry, which hostile nation?

The United States.

The jet was not flying right outside the United States though.

Did you even read the comment thread before responding to GP? You're just spreading misinformation.


His point is that the United States is the country acting in a hostile fashion.

It’s satire, a hit at global geopolitics where the US is placed as the global police. A joke, if you will.

I read about this incident in detail even before it was posted on HN.


What day is it?

If you initiate a military conflict with another nation, the proper thing to do is to declare war first.

Even better, we should all wear colorful coats and form a nice big line in an open field before we fight too! There are rules! Are we not gentlemen?

the redcoats didn't wear colorful coats and form nice big lines because they were stupid. They beat Napolean using similar tactics. And they didn't lose to the US because of these tactics.

Maybe you should reflect on why people who have lead others in combat have decided that there should be rules to war before you declare that rules of war are a bad idea.


The Red Coats lost quite a few battles to their aged tactics against the Patriots. So much so that officers complained about the ungentlemanly conduct routinely in their correspondence.

As far as our modern, temporary notion of “rules of war,” go, it’s because it suited the victor and gives them what they feel is an edge and an air of superiority. I don’t say this to be smug either, just look at how well the Geneva Suggestions worked out for the North Vietnamese or the Taliban. They ignored the and won.

Like it or not, the modern nation-state’s notions of Rules of War are going to quickly become a bygone relic of a simpler time, as was a formal British fighting line.


Ah, yes, the USA is the underdog here, they cannot win at war unless they ignore the conventions of war.

Arguably, yes?

Had the US somehow magically lost WWII, the firebombing atrocities would almost certainly have had a few Air Corp generals executed by the victor.

We could just as well look at the systemic atrocities committed against the Vietnamese civilian population and yet we still lost that war.

Excepting the Gulf War, how far back to we go to find something America has won (somewhat) cleanly?


Your statement presumes that the US fights dirtier than others.

Who is this magical war-winning nation that only fights fairly?

I'm not saying one can't win without war crimes, I'm saying it simply doesn't ever seem to happen.


> Arguably, yes?

No.

The USA is the strongest military power in the world. They are not the underdog. If they resort to war crimes or unfairness, it's not because they are the underdogs; it's because this is what top dogs do. Let's not make excuses for them.


You jest, but even in the age of modern warfare, countries still actively declare war and formally notify the other country, even if a bit late, with a formal declaration. The notable exceptions being of course the USA and the USSR and Russia, which like to call their wars "police actions" and "special military operations".

I would contend that we live in an era of “5th Generation” undeclared wars between powers. I don’t personally draw a line between a missile attack and a shipment of fentanyl or cocaine which will kill citizens all the same.

Do you also make fun of people who condemn war crimes?

On the other side it is perfectly visible on radar (and can be heard (and with jet having its own characteristic signature it can be tracked even by WWII microphone array like they did back then) and visible in binoculars from large distance in nice Caribbean weather), so it is hiding only from civilians. Security by obscurity kind of. That is especially so in the case of a slow large non-maneuvering tanker plane like here.

And why would a tanker plane come close to and even enter the hostile airspace?! may be one has to check Hegseth's Signal to get an answer for that, probably it is something like "big plane -> Scary!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mUbmJ1-sNs.


The information broadcast by transponder is significantly more precise than what you will get with radar, microphone array, or binoculars.

GPS Lat & Long Barometric Altitude Ground speed & track angle Rate of climb/descent

All updated every second or so.


I can just about guarantee it has nothing to do with targeting and a lot to do with making Venezuela unsure when strikes are about to start, both for security of the forces launching the eventual strikes (if any) and to harass/wear-down Venezuelan air defenses by keeping them very alert.

If our aircaft were flying transponders-on during all these exercises then suddenly went dark, it’d signal imminent attack. This keeps them guessing. Possibly we’re even playing around with having them on some of the time for some aircraft, and off at other times.

We don’t do that with AWACS and such near Russia because we’re not posturing that we may attack them any day now, and want to avoid both accidental and “accidental” encounters with Russian weapons by making them very visible. In this case, an accidental engagement by Venezuelan forces probably isn’t something US leadership would be sad about.


I live near JBLM in Washington. I am routinely overflown by helicopters and planes (C-17s) often with their transponders off (I have an ADS-B receiver running on a VM). These are training flights that are not going anywhere outside of the Puget Sound region. For added fun, I'm also pretty close to several Sea-Tac approaches.

> is significantly more precise than what you will get with radar

Is that increase in precision much larger than the plane itself? If it's not then it couldn't possibly matter in this application.

Further radar is not a static image. The radar is constantly sweeping the sky, taking multiple measurements, and in some cases using filtering to avoid noise and jitter.

> GPS Lat & Long Barometric Altitude Ground speed & track angle Rate of climb/descent

You get or synthesize every one of those with radar as well.


Yes, ADS-B is significantly more precise than civilian primary radar returns. That's why the FAA is trying to move away from radar. The JetBlue near miss was about 150 miles from Curacao ATC which is beyond what most ASR systems cover (around half that).

Military radar is a different beast, but even then you're still trying to figure out what the returns mean. ADS-B explicitly says hey there are two aircraft in a tiny space. Civilian radar is likely not precise enough to identify two aircraft that close.


Isn't altitude information also one of the important things about ADS-B that radar lacks?

Although ADS-B is self reported and "vulnerable" to bad/spoofed info.

My CFI and I once saw ADS-B data from one of the startups near Palo Alto airport in California reporting supersonic speeds... at ground level, no less.

Edit: still have it in my email, heh. It was a Kitty Hawk Cora, N306XZ, reporting 933kts at 50'.


Civilian vs military. The military can get altitude information from primary radar.

Even good stereopair like a WWI navy guns rangefinder, will give you all that info, of course not precise enough to lock a missile - well, transponder also wouldn't let you to anyway, and thus all that transponder precision is pointless in that context.

A missile only needs to get close enough for its sensors to take over for the final approach right? Transponder data should be quite enough for that, especially for a kc-46

Any of the methods i mentioned is enough to get missile close, except may be microphones as limited speed of sound means that the plane would have moved significantly from the observed position, though again even that would have allowed to put missile into the vicinity and in general direction.

Watching Ukraine videos there is new game in town though - relatively cheap IR cameras. Using IR, day or night, you can detect a jet plane from very large distances and just guide missile to the plane computer-game-joystick style.


Swissair used to let you gamble, until the system started a fire, which caused a crash that killed everyone onboard.

https://www.theautopian.com/swissair-used-to-let-you-gamble-...


>the cabin crew warned passengers to make sure children cannot see the adult content they're watching (can you get more American than that?)

Is it considered normal in Europe to watch pornography on public transit in public so children can see it?

>Lufthansa longhaul flight

My experience is different. Old planes, and Lufthansa cabin crew are cold and service was poor and inattentive.


How is that your interpretation of OP's statement?

Its normal in Europe to not watch any kind of pornography in public. Idk why you would do that.

I remember the days when movies shown on aircraft were edited for both content and dialogue.

These days, with so much content expected to be available at your fingertips, both in your seat and people bringing iPads on board loaded with R-rated streams, it's expected to be mindful of your neighbor on such things.

How that is distinctly "American" I don't quite understand.


Adult content does not necessarily mean pornography. It can include nudity, which Europeans are more comfortable with than Americans.

I am aware, the person I replied to just went straight into pornography, as to why I replied like that.

Clickbait.

The B777 is probably the safest, most meticulously engineered commercial wide-body aircraft ever built.

They're also getting old, and airlines retire old aircraft.


These are the exact points written in the article.

They also substantiate the idea that the United 777-200 fleet does face an uncertain future.


Sure, but the headline makes you think this incident caused the uncertain future. It’s definitely clickbait

Entirely true, and also quite underwhelming compared to an engine failure.

Personally I'd be a lot more interested in the cause(s) of the failure and how it was handled.


The article explicitly says that the aircraft is safe. I don't think this is particularly clickbait-y.

I recall clickbait meaning "A way of describing what's behind a link, often inaccurately, so that you click on it". The completely non-controversial article seems to me to have a very hook-y headline which is exactly what the phrase refers to, at least to me. What does clickbait mean to you? Perhaps the meaning of the phrase has changed in different groups over time.

One sentence buried in an article that ledes with BIG SCARY ENGINE FAILURE.

It’s not a buried sentence. It’s a section heading in large font saying “ The 777-200 Problem Is Not Safety. It Is Economics.”

Then there’s a whole paragraph stating “The Boeing 777-200 is not an unsafe airplane. As far as I can tell, that is not the issue even after the incident over Dulles over the weekend.”

Then just in case the reader jumped to conclusions, the first sentence of the conclusion again says it’s safe.


You are explaining exactly why the headline is clickbait: The article does not support the conclusions implied by the headline.

> just in case the reader jumped to conclusions

The author is correcting a problem of his own creation. He has already misled the reader with his headline. He means for the reader to misunderstand... and click.


"Future of US-China Relations in Question After Death of Hollywood Director"

A literally true sentence which falsely implies a correlation between events.

Discussion of the 777-200's economic viability has nothing to do with the Dulles incident.


Like you, I took an impression from the headline that safety was at issue — that's why I clicked on the article, only to find out that it was about economics instead. I don't know if it was deliberate clickbait, but that was the effect.

> The B777 is probably the safest, most meticulously engineered commercial wide-body aircraft ever built.

The last pure Boeing product before the merger with McDonnell Douglas…


> They're also getting old, and airlines retire old aircraft.

True, but they do keep the even older 757 flying.


That's not a critical comment for the article, but a TLDR.

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As far as I'm aware no 777-200 mounted engine has ever exploded


You know, this is why I hate it when techies assume they know things because they read something from a blog.

The engine did not explode. It suffered an engine failure when the fan blades failed and separated but was a contained failure.


"Shortly after takeoff, as the aircraft approached 13,000 feet, the right engine suffered an explosion."

:shrug:


United seems to like to hang onto extremely old airplanes even as the number of these disruptions mount. We can argue how statistically they're safer etc but these events are extremely unsettling and disruptive for passengers and frankly it's lucky no one's been killed yet. One of these planes dropped a wheel on a parked car at SFO last year.

It's not hard to notice there are other major airlines that generally maintain newer widebody fleets.


Isn’t Delta’s whole strategy getting old airplanes for cheap and refurbishing them?

In a remarkable coincidence, the Reiners' son has just been booked on suspicion of murder:

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/director-rob-re...

Maybe the cops were reading People in between scarfing down donuts and chain-smoking Marlboros.


Because it's factually incorrect.

Ars Technica, a clickbait aggregator whom should have been banned from this site long ago, is hardly a reliable source.



https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-up...

> Note: Because of dependency on architecture and system changes to any current version of Apple operating systems (for example, macOS 26, iOS 26, and so on), not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions (for example, macOS 15, iOS 18, and so on).


Is there a new technological space race between Microsoft and Apple, to see who can engineer more dark patterns into their software, forcing unwanted updates onto its users?

These techniques used to be exclusive to spyware distributors.


Yes, it’s “spyware” to want you to update an OS. That’s definitely the definition of that. Good job for decoding conspiracy.

> And the really obnoxious part is that they force you to receive upgrade prompts every single day and you can't disable it

Enable iOS 18 Developer Beta and the nag screens go away.


I did this to install 18.7.3 on an iPhone that was only presenting 26.2 without any other option.

I just enabled it. Thanks for the tip.

Pro tip for anyone wanting to avoid liquid [gl]ass and install iOS 18.7.3: Apple is actively hiding 18.7.3 on most iPhones, despite the update showing on iPads. Perhaps a mistake, perhaps an attempt to force 26 onto users.

Simply select "iOS 18 Developer Beta" under beta updates (might need a developer account) and it will allow you to install it. The update currently offered is the production release.


Wow. I'm still on 18.7.1, saw the update to 18.7.2 yesterday (100% sure on this), but didn't want to install it at that moment as I needed the phone, and deferred the update to today.

Now I don't see any iOS 18 updates at all, only the iOS 26 prompts. What a dick move, Apple. Especially if this is a) a security update, and b) iOS 26 is known to run poorly on older phones like mine.

Thanks for the workaround!


If your phone is laggy after liquid glass, Enabling "Reduce Motion" from Accessibility/Motion makes my 2020 iphone se much better. You can also disable transparency for even more frames, but it makes some UIs look particularly bad (because everything is transparent in frutiger aero/liquid glass)

Reduce Motion does give you the unfortunate side effect of realizing how much dead time there is between processing buttons. Many actions have a visible pause without apparent activity. I assume the software has a hardcoded delay for the animation or the program literally takes noticeable amount of time to process the action.

In the days of jailbreaking, a popular tweak was to reduce the animation delay, so this is definitely a thing iOS does.

I tried this on iPhone 17 (regular), the phone became more or less unusable. ~500-2000ms lag when changing or closing an application.

The liquidglass experience was bad, but reduce motion was unusable.


I can’t handle the swipe up to switch apps gesture with reduced motion it becomes too jarring. I set the glass to “tinted” and that’s about it. I wish they had a stronger disablement of just the glass.

But may break Safari, in which case you’ll have to close safari, toggle the setting and open it again. The navbars float in the middle of webpages otherwise.

Getting an iPhone model that comes with iOS 26 and cannot be downgraded: what a blunder. It’s not about Liquid Glass per se, more the ability to use your phone without being distracted by constant visual glitches and impaired keyboard typing experience.

The keyboard is already poor on iOS 18; does it regress even further?

It worked well for me until iOS 26. Dictation improved, keyboard typing did the opposite.

You're right. This worked for me. I'm now offered 18.7.3 and wasn't before.

It is also available as a public beta, which you can register for at https://beta.apple.com/

Thank you! Done. Here's hoping they continue to give v18 sec updates until v26+ UX and perf are fixed...

It’s available as a public beta, no need for a developer account.

I would say it's almost certainly a mistake or some side-effect of their system that rolls out updates where they don't happen exactly simultaneously.

Remember that Apple is also pushing that update out to serve their iPhones that cannot get iOS 26. Even if I was to maximize my cynicism, I don't think they presently use security point releases in the manner you are describing.


I don't think we can really ascertain intent, Apple has a long history of "the feature update IS the security update".

This partly relies on the "just update bro" attitude of sufficient fanbois to achieve upgrade momentum. Otherwise, let's be honest, no one would update, ever, our phones are too personal to be changing constantly.

This "bug" has been there for 2-3 days now. If it was a bug with their software delivery system, I assume it would have been fixed by now, it's affecting many people (with plenty of message board complaints to prove it).


> Apple has a long history of "the feature update IS the security update".

Do they?


Yes. Following a transition period of 2-3 months after each new major OS version, they withhold security updates for older OS versions from devices that could update to the new major version. The current 18.7.3 will likely be the last iOS 18 update made available to iPhone 11 and up, while the iPhone XS and XR, which can’t update to iOS 26, will continue to receive further security updates for iOS 18. This mode of operation has been the case for many years now.

Interesting, I genuinely did not know that. Thank you!

Yes. Until a few years ago after a new major iOS version was released (eg. 26 for this year) the last major version (eg. 18 for this year) stopped getting updates, at least for phones that had access to the newer version. That changed a few years ago so that there was a period of overlap where both got updated.

For instance, look at the release history for iOS 12 and 13:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_12#Version_history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_13#Release_history

After 13 was released (September 19, 2019) there were no more updates for iOS 12, at least for the devices that support iOS 13.


Also, 26.2 lets you choose a "Tinted" (vs. Clear) style that effectively addresses the primary cosmetic criticism of Liquid Glass.

Nice though cosmetics are the least of my issues with 26. Usability really tanked across the OS, crap ton of baffling choices that make it much harder and unintuitive to use.

This has been a thing since 26.1 I believe.

I believe so, too. I’ve updated to 26.2 today and haven’t seen any changes on the interface front.

It doesn't address the UI elements that used to be on an opaque pane, and now are floating above a busy, blurred mess.

I don't like transparency but for me it's not the main problem with iOS 26, the main problem is that new controls (and their placement) waste too much space on a small iPhone SE screen.

That's nice but

Liquid (gl)ass still sucks.


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