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Andrej is 39 years old, according to Wikipedia.

Douglas Adams on age and relating to technology:

"1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.

2. Anything that’s invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.

3. Anything invented after you’re thirty-five is against the natural order of things."

From 'The Salmon of Doubt' (2002)


Is that really what he's saying here?

He's not against the technology, I think he's just feeling like there's a lot of potential that he's not quite grasping yet.


This guy is one of the top names in AI. This is pure propaganda written to instill "fear of missing out" and encouraging people to buy into his platform, lest they become "obsolete."

It’s a little shocking to me that this sentiment hasn’t floated higher in the discussion. Regardless of how he feels, this is the way he wants you to feel.

Big picture it’s about emotional intelligence and if you are losing your shit you’re going to flail around. I think you should pick up some near-frontier tools and use them to improve your usual process, always keeping your feet on the ground. “Vibe coding” was always about getting you and keeping you over your head. Resist it!


vive vibe live or it doesnt matter?

Maybe Devs should handle copilots as Swiss prana-bindu their shots

(Therefore gun laws at a longer timescale)

Of course we have to ask aeb if he has ever run into someone who trips (only, of course) while hunting ;) have you?


the french on the good hunter^W vibe coder vs the bad vibe coder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuGcoOJKXT8

given that the 3 hares seem to currently lack a signification, I'd be up for squatting? Or would Paul prefer 3 fennecs? Should anyone wish to oppose us, as Bigwig said: "silflay hraka, u embleer rah"

a slightly more pragmatic story for shunya as better mousetrap: just as we now routinely have our calculations done for us in binary, but record results in decimal (in PDF invoices, say), ancient romans (among other cultures) would have someone do their calculations on a counting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_board board, but recorded (only the non-zero) results in roman numerals.

(these days we can spot the algebraists via a sibboleth: they start their papers and books with section/chapter 0)

> « Les hommes sont comme les chiffres : ils n'acquièrent de valeur que par leur position. » —NB


Are you grok, or having a stroke?

I understood perfectly what he's saying, but then again schizo is a language I speak fluently. Are you having a stroke?

To be fair I did have just a touch of thought disorder which led me to write "vive" instead of "vibe" and I did correct it when it was pointed out without explaining it which made that comment seem even weirder than it originally was.

I actually read their comment as "vibe vibe live" which combined with the unknown terms in the next line (a reference to Dune combined with something else, I guess?) made GGP's question fit quite well.

on the other hand, it does currently feel like when angular and react were starting to come out, and there was a billion different javascript libraries to learn with a new one coming out every couple weeks, and you arent quite sure what you should spend your time on and how much, vs now where you just learn react, and maybe extend to next.js

LLM forward development has a lot of things going on, and it really isn't clear yet what is going be the common standard in a few years time in terms of dev ux, async tools, ci/cd tools, in production and offline workflows, etc.

its an easy time to hop down a wrong path picking subpar tools or not experimenting further, but if you just wait, the people who try the right tools are going to be way ahead on making products for their customers.


Exactly. I think some of the commenters were unaware of some of the context, and got an entirely different read on the piece.

Uncharitable take. His last public stance on this a few months ago when he released nanochat was that he didn’t use coding LLM for it, even though he tried, because they were not good enough and he was just losing time, so coded everything manually. Andrej is already set for life, and has moved into education where most of what he does is released for free.

> Is that really what he's saying here?

No it’s absolutely not. But I thought it’d be fun to offer Adams’ brilliant hyperbole for an affectionate ribbing of Karpathy. Both of them are great communicators of ideas.


This is pretty much the thinking across all German-speaking countries. It especially applies to anything related to energy (combustion engines, coal, gas, oil) and IT.

Case in point: fax machines are still an important part of business communication in Germany, and many IT projects are genuinely amateurish garbage — because the underlying mindset is "everything should stay exactly as it is."

This is particularly visible in the 45+ generation. It mostly doesn't apply to programmers, since they tend to find new things interesting. But in the rest of society, the effects are painful to watch: if nothing changes, nothing improves.

And then there's mobile infrastructure. It's not even a technical problem — it's purely political. The networks simply don't get expanded. It's honestly embarrassing how far behind Germany is compared to the rest of Europe.


Spain the same with Java, and that language it's full of bureaucratic bullshit to make mid managers feel better. Ditto with Power Points and the like. They need to dissapear for the good.

Something lke the PDF's produced from sent(1) under Unix or MagicPont presentations are many times less fancier and they allow to produce effective no-bullshit ACTUAL product based presentations. But then half of the commercials and managers would actually useless (as they are) and they would be kicked out fast. And don't let me start on nepotism...


You didn't really read what he wrote or think about it and just took it as an opportunity to dismiss him as old. He was just being humble. It's relatively new to everyone. At least you are honest about your ageism.

I am sure Karparthy can and does everage AI as well or better than you. Probably I do also and I am 48.


I’m older than both of you.

Which widely available laptops with comparable but prior to M1 SOCs are you thinking of?

x86 laptop chips have been SoCs for a lot more than 5 years

My private car provides less than one commute per day, on average.

An Uber car can provide several.


I've been a professional scientist for more than 30 years, and have no experiences like this at all.

A scientist names names. Not doing so is innuendo, and prevents any verification.


You can ask it to report anything that looks different recently. That'll catch some new things without needing to understand them in advance.

You'll get inundated with outliers then. Everything looks different if you don't specify the baseline and tolerance.

I tried that out in my field of expertise, to calibrate my expectations. ChatGPT invented multiple references to non-existent but plausibly-titled papers written by me.

I think of that when asking questions about areas I don’t know.

That was about 18mo ago, so maybe this kind of hallucination is under control these days.


LLMs are good for tasks where you can verify the result. And you must verify the result unless you're just using it for entertainment.

I would use an agent (Codex) for this task: use the Pro model in ChatGPT for deep research and to assemble the information and citations, then have Codex systematically go through the citations with a task list to web search and verify or correct each. Codex can be used like a test suite.

Turns out Gell-Mann amnesia applies to LLMs too.

LLMann amnesia?

Beware survivor bias.

In a population of equally vulnerable genetics and stochastic outcomes, there will be families that all live long.

We are wired to attribute that to something.


Some of your neurons stretch from your brain to your big toe. 1.5m, or more in a tall person.


There's no way a tardigrade is half a sea snail.


Correct, but not the one on the site.


"AI didn’t just need more turbines—it needed a new and fundamentally better turbine. Symphony was the perfect new engine to accelerate AI in America."

I completely hate that we can't just motivate this in terms of making electricity, the stuff we all use every day for a hundred things. No, it has to be about AI. Bah!


> The Neural Engine is dark silicon on most devices I've seen

At the very least it's used by the Photos app[1]. Likely other Apple apps too.

[1] https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/recognizing-peopl...


I have a little rust script that uses the built in vision toolkit to do ocr of pdfs, it spins up the ANE to a full 1W compared to 0 as measured by the power profiler. So it is used!

IMO, It’s a very apple strategy, stuff just works and is slowly more accelerated/lower power.


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