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It's two different sets of creators -> two content pools. Also, there are many, many users outside of US or China, with their own regional content pools.


ByteDance exercises a LOT of editorial control over what gets promoted in the stream, though. If TikTok pushed educational videos on users in the US, you'd see everyone clamoring to be Steve Mould.


On a side note, this change's author is from ByteDance. It's great to see everyone working together on open source.


That makes sense. ByteDance has many employees who have experiences in competitive programming. These guys tend to be more sensitive and aggressive in algorithmic changes.


The ByteDance interviews must be tough, but what they're making is completely trash. I'm not talking about the quality of their product.


Serious question: Why does this have so many upvotes? As a layman I have never heard of J or Jd before, someone please provide some context?


J is an APL language. APL is the coolest language you’ve never heard of. It’s mind blowing in the same way people talk about Lisp, but more so since the concepts are so alien to most programmers.


bla3 figured out that it's because the link text "Jd" is so short, and people are clicking the upvote button by mistake. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30906989


Good for Huawei. Finally, an affordable alternative to Remarkable.


It's winter right now, go for a run outside, especially if there's snow. You can watch some YouTube videos about how to layer up properly. The air is extra crisp right now and almost nobody runs so the world is yours. I find it extra relaxing and a huge runners high afterwards.


I've worked with the accessibility team at YouTube. That team has brilliant engineers who are themselves blind or deaf, so they really do understand their customers, even if that community is relatively small. If this a grassroots decision from that team, I'm sure they have thought long and hard about it, and I respect that decision.

I still believe Alphabet is a company that truly wants to make the world a better place -- I hope they're living by their principles, and not letting the profits (of which they have plenty) get in way.


So what was the rationale for this decision?


Wouldn’t this be better handled by a more sophisticated solution like some kind of law or governance organization? Banning specific apps is like whack a mole. There will also be other countries with opposing ideological beliefs - we probably shouldn’t want to play whack a mole country by country either.


This is my sentiment, is it's TikTok, it will be rebranded as DikDok next, then what? We block one app at a time?


Why not? It’s basically the only app China have managed to make popular in USA. And they’ve had to blow billions on ads to do so.

I do believe it would be best to block all apps owned by the Chinese, but blocking them one by one would work as well, because it’s incredibly difficult and expensive to obtain the userbase that makes the app worth blocking.


I don't really know what to do about it, I just understand why one might be concerned. It's a wild world. I feel like banning things because they're a possible threat is a slippery slope.


I agree, and we need something that's equal across the board which will try to handle domestic companies doing things like Facebooks mood experiments.


This is so cool! I'm curious, how much does it cost to run a server that does deep learning inference on the scale of hugged-by-hn-frontpage?


Truly sad. When HK was handed back to China in 1999, did we know this is inevitable?


1997. 1999 was Macau.

I lived in Hong Kong until 1995. The Basic Law is supposed to apply for 50 years, so we should only be about halfway through that. The sense in the HK expat community at the time was skepticism that it would make it the whole way unchallenged, but that China "needed" HK, so it wouldn't rock the boat too much.

Of course, now that is no longer the case. Any optimism we had at the time of the handover was rooted in HK's economic importance but China went and built Shenzhen into a bigger, better Hong Kong within two decades. Still a Special Economic Zone but without all the pesky political baggage.


Considering China's relationship with Taiwan, I would say yes, we absolutely knew that China would not allow a Chinese territory to be outside of thr CCP's control indefinitely. If anything, I am surprised it took them this long to decide the rest of the world would simply watch and do nothing of importance about it.


It's not about geopolitics, it's about economics.

China has been extremely pragmatic and results-oriented. When Hong Kong was the most economically successful part of China, they were happy to leave it be and learn some lessons from it. Now the rest of China has largely caught up and it's time for them to make HK more like Shenzhen, rather than the other way around.


Giving that Shanghai stock market trades more than HK, that argument doesn't hold up. China didn't need HK. They did not want a western-aligned population of 7M people within 40km of its borders and instead decided to deal with them with a heavy hand.

I think China played their hand too soon and the west is waking up to it.


"Shanghai stock market trades more than HK" is a strange rebuttal to my argument. You presumably mean that's true now, rather than 20 years ago when China decided to go with "one country, two systems" - which is exactly my argument, that Hong Kong is no longer the needed as a moneymaker. Either way, overall stock exchange volume is not a very standard measure of economic activity - at the very least you'd want to weight it per capita.

Of course China is motivated to have Hong Kong aligned with it rather than flirting with the West. Whether the West is "waking up to it" is not so clear to me. The HK riots were a big deal in the Western media for a while but now we've moved on.


A lot of mainlanders still prefer to trade on the HK market because the inside trader rules are much more strict and actually enforced (for now?). If you trade on the Shanghai stock market, you need to learn how to follow in the wakes of whales, it isn't for the feint of heart.


I read somewhere when HK was handed back to China, it generated 25% of the whole GDP of china.


>I am surprised it took them this long

They weren't going to make big moves until they had built up their navy.


Their navy is nowhere yet ready to fight a real war. Look at analysis of their fleet. Two aircraft carriers with limited capacity. But any war would have home court advantage with long-range missile support from the coast. That's the difference maker. Power projection beyond China's coast is currently impossible with their navy, and if there were a concerted allied operation, China's Navy would be unlikely able to handle battles on multiple fronts. But nobody wants war, China is banking on that. Look at how the world did nothing about Russia annexing the Crimea. Nobody wants war.



Isnt it even in the contracts, That there a 50year transition period until the full merger?


I remember the conversations around 1999, and yes it was pretty well known to be inevitable. Perhaps the surprise is that it took 20 years.


I was just 15 at the time, but being from the third world I was utterly perplexed. I was like “why would anyone want that?”


There were a lot of promises.

There were people making noise about China. But in general China was off most people’s radar.

The Olympia’s they hosted was when I personally realized China was a big deal.


Does anyone know when we will likely hear the result of this trial?


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