lol Yea what a wild example to pick from. A web programming 101 website being heralded as why it's okay to use a tech like Lisp to build web apps feels pretty standard for HN though.
It's a list of articles and comments. It would take like 3 pages from W3Schools to build this thing.
Firstly, because this site happily handles the amount of traffic that puts many hobbyist sites that happen to get on its front page into a hug of death; so its developers must have done something right on the backend that is probably above the web programming 101 level.
But secondly, because this was precisely my point. One does not need a super popular front-end framework to make an awesome web product, and the HackerNews site is a testament to that.
No you're not. You're just trying to respond with something witty.
It's a message board with 1% of the functionality most sites people are building with frameworks.
> Firstly, because this site happily handles the amount of traffic that puts many hobbyist sites that happen to get on its front page into a hug of death;
Lol are you really implying it's hard to scale a message board?
> One does not need a super popular front-end framework to make an awesome web product, and the HackerNews site is a testament to that.
IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD. Nobody is building message boards anymore. Using HN as an example for anything other than building a dirt simple message boardsays more about your refusal to recognize the need to these new technologies than it does about those technologies.
> Lol are you really implying it's hard to scale a message board?
I am implying that it is beyond the "3 pages from W3Schools", as you put it.
> A. Message. Board.
Yes. A fast, reliable, accessible message board that I and many others thoroughly enjoy. An awesome product.
Again, I have never suggested that its ui is complex. In fact, it's glorious how simple it is. This is the point that those htmx people make: use simple tools for simple UIs; and also, try to make your UIs simple.
lol. Anytime React is mentioned people like you rush in to tell others just how great stuff like...checks notes...a message board is. As if it in any, way, shape or form adds to the conversation.
You just couldn['t help yourself from rushing in to defend the simplest site on the planet (lol written in LISP) as if it demonstrates anything other than some rando building a w3 schools site in a language no one uses anymore.
So you are saying now that you can bypass a lot of solutions offered by a mix of small/large providers by using a single solution from a huge provider, this is the opposite of a centralization of power?
>"by using a single solution from a huge provider"
The parent didn't say that though and clearly didn't mean it.
Smaller SaaS providers have a problem right now. They can't keep up with the big players in terms of features, integrations and aggressive sales tactics. That's why concentration and centralisation is growing.
If a lot of specialised features can be replaced by general purpose AI tools, that could weaken the stranglehold that the biggest Saas players have, especially if those open weights models can be deployed by a large number of smaller service providers or even self hosted or operated locally.
That's the hypothesis I think. I'm not sure it will turn out that way though.
I'm not sure whether the current hyper-competitive situation where we have a lot of good enough open weights models from different sources will continue.
I'm not sure that AI models alone will ever be reliable enough to replace deterministic features.
I'm not sure whether AI doesn't create so many tricky security issues that once again only the biggest players can be trusted to manage them or provide sufficient legal liability protection.
ah, so what you are saying is this: now you can buy your own specialized hardware, which is realistically produced and sold by a single company on earth, compete with ~3 of the largest multinational corporations to do so (consider the ram prices lately, to get a sense of the effect of this competition), spend tens of thousands in the process, and run your 'own' model, which someone spends millions to train and makes it open for some reason (this is not a point about its existence, its about its reliability. I don't think its wise to assume the open models will be roughly in line with SOTA forever). This way, by spending roughly 1-2 orders of magnitude more, you can eliminate a handful of SaaS products that you use.
Sorry, I don't see this happening, at least not for the majority. Even if it does, it would still be arguably centralizing.
i had idea like this when gpt first came out but decided not to go down this route because idk at what point to automate and at what point to refine and just seemed too complex and now tools like claude cli seem to make more sense for devs. but as internal b2b tool for non technical with predefined schemas and apis and very strong ui rules (eg u must use this library/component/pattern at all times for X or Y) u COULD generalize but then it would also be impotent to fork and extend those that already been made and without bugs or be able to fix bugs..and the second u need something slightly non trivial would need to be able to “drill down” to fix this or fix that or tweak or whatever so just becomes to vibe code and deploy so maybe like to vibe code harder and faster and deploy faster but maybe with enough rhfl it would be viable… i can imagine like some sort of fluid experience especially for learning or research where u just need to process and visualize some data and don’t care about stuff breaking because its internal tool
this is not how you fix poverty. u need to reinforce self motifvation, self care, discipline...not reinforce scratch off state run lottery addiction so you can get more federal funding or whatever
can someone explain to me the difference between MCP and calling a cli tool eg curl or whatever i still don’t understand i’ve been using ai for years now.
MCP is tool calling with continued context/rich context, tool calling alone will PROBABLY die after single call whereas MCP keeps continuity by design (You can use MCP for tool calling but not vice versa). Hope this help you understand.
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