I agree, at first the watch was not really that interesting. Now, I can see it eating Garmin and wahoo for athletes. Why buy a separate device for tracking the bike rides or the runs when you can just use the apple watch. The vision pro will be the same thing. Give it 5 years.
As a high school teacher(14-18 year olds) who actually spends a lot of time trying to interact with students and get to know them, I keep hearing this kind of statement:
There is no room for mistakes.
Students cannot miss a homework assignment, fail an exam, not achieve an A, make any kind of faux pax on social media, etc…
And then you combine this with many adults in their lives telling them, I got into UCLA, why can’t you? Just work harder, or just not caring about their mental health.
They see this never ending cycle of
turn the assignments in and then go to sports practice(where again the competition is at such a high level) and also, get a job, because they want or need money.
Many are going to bed after midnight every night.
Something has to give.
This is really disturbing to me.
How are they doing living up to this? Many are living up to it but the cost is substantial, and the others that have no hope of being this are giving up.
I'm a senior in university now, but it did really feel like this when I was in high-school. And it still feels like this in university, though I'm now much more capable of reasoning of whether it's true or if I just feel that it's true.
I think this is a consistent theme throughout the entirety of the United States. There's so little leeway. Fail a class -> you might have to go into an extra 20k of debt. Lose your job -> Homeless, foodless, insuranceless.
> This week, Anthony Clark, an Air Force veteran and Democratic congressional candidate in Illinois, noted how deeply embedded this trend is in American military service, detailing how he, his brother, father, and grandfather were all drafted or enlisted because “poverty is the draft.”
I don’t see any evidence it’s shaping up to be a long war. Russia has effectively abandoned their western front. They’re focusing on the east and somewhat the south.
The Russian army’s performance has been pathetic and wouldn’t last long at all vs. nato. Nukes are a thing, but not a long war thing.
Ah yes, massive equipment and personnel losses, reminding the world that Putin is a flagrant liar, spurring movement off national gas, and making clear exactly how formidable the Russian military isn't. All while not actually taking strategic points in the east one month in.
Unfortunately Russia can just launch rockets and shells from within their own borders and completely level Ukrainian cities... Even if they lose most of their army they still can 'win' by using tactics no other nation would deem acceptable. And that's likely what they'll do as long as they feel the west won't directly intervene.
The Ukranians can fire back? Such as at Belgorod? Besides, even rocket artillery range is only about 30km. Kyiv is now out of range of everything except airstrikes, and Russian air power is of limited effectiveness as they never achieved air superiority.
It is quite possible the Ukranians will retake everything taken in the recent offensive. The question is then whether they will also attempt to retake Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea.
Why stop at reclaiming former Ukrainian areas defined post USSR collapse?
It would be beneficial to the world to see a Novo Ukraine, a wealthy country committed to peace and modeled with a federalist system, taught by the mobocratic failures of the last 30 years, stretching from eastern Europe to Siberia.
There is no evidence they are regrouping. There is strong evidence of vehicles being trained back out of Ukraine via Belorussian rail. To attack kyiv again would be starting from scratch.
Putin’s approval rating is irrelevant.
Russia has managed to lose the battle of kyiv, and among other blundering failures, has repeatedly failed to establish air superiority. The extent to which they would be utterly slaughtered given actual western air support is hard to exaggerate.
At least to the extent of arbitrary Europeans needing to worry about a draft.
I mean, all these things are true. The middle class is disappearing, and society is quickly bifurcating into a few haves and the rest have-nots. When I was a kid, you could get B’s or C’s and have a good job after high school. Now you’re competing with the smartest of the ~50M other kids your age globally for one of the few tickets out of poverty. And you can bet if you miss that one homework assignment or get that one B, you’re way behind the kids who are doing everything to 100% perfection. I can understand how it is a pressure cooker of stress!
Skilled labor jobs or military service are a great option for people who didn't get excellent grades in high school but are willing to work hard to get a ticket out of poverty. Unfortunately, many educators and parents don't promote those career paths as much as they should.
> Students cannot miss a homework assignment, fail an exam, not achieve an A, make any kind of faux pax on social media, etc…
As someone close to a high school student, I’m actually surprised how much “make up” is allowed. All missed assignments can be done any time during a semester for no penalty. Two exams can be retaken for a max grade of 80.
When I was in high school there were no retakes at all.
These are honors and ap classes. There’s also unlimited turins for higher grades. Each class is 20-50% assignments so if you just turn in your homework you’re kind of guaranteed a B.
I think this is because of hyper competitive college prep where everyone wants to get straight As.
Back in the day, getting a C was fine but getting an A was really hard, most students got Bs or Cs.
Now, getting an A isn’t so hard but a C is seen as a terrible, because most students are getting As.
Lots of schools have policies like yours but they’re not removing the pressure, they’re just shifting what’s “acceptable”. Sometimes they actually make it worse because now near-perfect scores are the norm, and if you mess up there’s no way to do extra somewhere else to bring you back to average.
There were none of these when I was in high school only a few years ago, and they still aren't a thing from the high schoolers I know.
The system is still the same - every day you miss the assignment is one fewer grade, except for some, where you automatically get zero. You cannot retake an exam without cause.
I think it's more common than you would expect. It's a configurable option in many online learning solutions (Canvas, BlackBoard). InQuisitive allows you to keep answering questions until you reach 100% grade, and often represent 10%-30% of a course's entire grade.
It's because, fundamentally, the middle class is shrinking. The barrier for staying in the middle class is getting higher and higher every day. And this is happening before our eyes at a rapid pace over the last 10-20 years.
Who knows what will happen. I think the mass control of people has basically been perfected, so revolution feels really unlikely. Instead we'll see a police state and quality of life continues to go down for the plebs. Throw global warming on top of that and I think 50 years from now is going to be a pretty dire time. Better get that job at Evil Corp.
That's the super high achieving group.
I saw that some decades back when I kept a horse at the barn on the Stanford campus and met some of the local teens. These were kids with very high powered parents, and were pressured to keep up. These teens knew the ones who committed suicide at Gunn and Paly high schools.[1]
Notes from then:
- Saw a group of high-schoolers discussing grades. Asked "What's considered a good grade point average today?" Reply, in a bleak voice, "4.5".
- Teen shows up at the barn with her arm in a sling. Asked "What happened, did you get dumped?" (Meaning, off a horse.) "No, I fell off the cheerleader pyramid. And now I'm letting the swim team down."
- One of the less bright ones, worried that she can't keep up, saying how hard it was.
"Less bright" here means "can't get into Stanford/Harvard, will do fine at a lower tier college.
This is real, but it's not the typical teen experience.
> adults in their lives telling them, I got into UCLA, why can’t you
Not just adults. This is a difference even compared to students who graduated in 2019, which would include siblings and other near-peers. We're in the middle of the college selection process for the HS class of 2022 right now. Many colleges are getting record numbers of applications, because of all the deferrals and transfers from the last two years. That intensifies the competition for this year's kids, leading to a lot of waitlisting and outright denials even from schools that would have been fairly safe bets any other year. Just about every kid has had to lower their sights an extra notch, and some who didn't apply to enough safeties are facing unexpected gap years.
> Many are going to bed after midnight every night.
Some aren't? Between extracurriculars and homework loads for the more advanced classes, any kid who hopes to get into a first- or even second-tier college doesn't have much time to socialize or play games etc. any earlier.
Don't forget affirmative action (sorry, reverse racism). If you are Asian (or for some schools, male), the standards are substantially higher than if you are black or Latino.
I know if I ever have kids, I'm probably going to tell them it's okay to even drop out of high school.
None of it really matters, you can drop out of high school, go backpacking in Europe, and as long as you find a way to support yourself, no one has a right to judge you.
You definitely don't need to get into college. In the last 30 years or so, we've turned everyone into maniacs. Back in the day, if you just graduated high school that was something to be proud of.
Now, no, you need to get straight A's, no, you need to take a foreign language. If you're not able to pass a foreign language class, maybe you're messed up in the head, maybe we can give you some dangerous stimulants to fix you.
Again, none of it matters, I make significantly more money than most of the rest of my family and I'm one of the least educated. I was making more than what they make now with their fancy masters degrees, before I even finished my BA.
The only thing that really matters is finding peace with yourself, and again as long as you can support yourself. Nobody really cares. Of course. Someone's going to be smarter on paper, someone's going to get into a better school, someone's going to have a bigger house. But if you're constantly trying to compete with every other person, you're going to find, no matter how well you do, you'll devalue your own accomplishments.
I mean it really does matter. You got lucky. Compare yourself with the millions of people working at restaurants with no health insurance and nothing they own worth any value. That's the norm, not your experience.
The problem is there is a huge income gap between the people with degrees and good jobs and people with just high school educations. Much of that is due to offshoring / NAFTA / etc.
"We have got to stop sending jobs overseas. It's pretty simple: If you're paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factory South of the border, pay a dollar an hour for labor, ... have no health care—that's the most expensive single element in making a car— have no environmental controls, no pollution controls and no retirement, and you don't care about anything but making money, there will be a giant sucking sound going south."
BTW, that dollar amount is double in todays dollars vs 1992 when that debate happened. Imagine if we had millions of jobs for people without college degrees paying $28 an hour with health care. That's a stark contrast with the $15 minimum wage people are clawing to get with massive resistance. Something as simple as NAFTA causing so much destruction 30 years after the fact is amazing. Imagine kids where both parents didn't have to work to make ends meet. Imagine kids where their parent's weren't exhausted from working all the time and could spend more quality time with them. Imagine kids who could have a future where they didn't have to attend college and the pressure that comes with it. imagine kids who can get regular health checkups without breaking the bank. The cascade effects are immense. But hey, look on the bright side, PROFITS!
>I mean it really does matter. You got lucky. Compare yourself with the millions of people working at restaurants with no health insurance and nothing they own worth any value. That's the norm, not your experience.
I've met plenty of people with various fancy degrees working those jobs. I recall in my early twenties I met an alumni from one of my dream schools. He was making roughly as much as I was without a degree.
If you go insane in your pursuit of academic excellence, you'll be rendered unable to work.
Plus, theirs no rule saying a high school dropout can't attend community college later. This is much better option for most people.
The alternative is losing your mind trying to get into that elite top ten college
>I've met plenty of people with various fancy degrees working those jobs. I recall in my early twenties I met an alumni from one of my dream schools. He was making roughly as much as I was without a degree.
Sure, you got lucky and he probably picked a less than lucrative degree, or wasn't as lucky. There is certainly overlap, but the statistics show that there is a large wealth gap between people with a college degree and people without. Bill Gates was a college drop out and he has billions, but is that the norm? Absolutely not.
>Plus, theirs no rule saying a high school dropout can't attend community college later. This is much better option for most people.
Yes, but I thought we were talking about the prospects of high school drop outs vs people with college degrees. You're kinda moving he goal posts a bit I think. I think dropping out of high school, getting a GED and then attending college is essentially the same thing as the "normal" college route.
>The alternative is losing your mind trying to get into that elite top ten college
That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to get into an elite top ten college to have a future, statistically speaking. The main income gap is between people with a college degree and people without. I do agree with you that people who aspire to get into an elite college can easily burnout and go mad, but that's not what I'm comparing here. I also know not all college degrees or even institutions are equal. Some are absolute shit, but the majority of accredited institutions are good enough. Degrees, not so much though. Some degrees are an absolute pyramid scheme. It's tough to navigate for someone with experience with it, much less an immediate family without a college degree.
Not everyone is even capable of attending college. That's just what it is.
You can get into a trade, etc.
And if you don't like trades you can always go back to community college.
In the early 2000s you had an all out attack on tradesmenship. High schools use to offer classes in woodworking, automotive repair, and even metal working.
All of a sudden it was decided these jobs were 'dirty'. How dare some students have different aptitudes!
Life is long. You can try to become an electrician apprentice, decide you don't like it and attend community college after that
Relatedly, the delaying actions on "fight for $15" is darkly genius. It puts off implementing it, of course, but also every month of inflation eats away at the "$15" number. Wikipedia says the campaign was started in 2012, so today it should be $18.78.
The number in the slogan stays the same, but reality slips out from under it. The democrats are about to lose the midterms, so if it doesn't get done in the next few months, they'll be another six years of inflation from even getting another swing at the ball.
I actually don't think rasing the minimum wage is a solution to poverty.
Back in LA I was only making 10$ an hour, which was enough for a 600$ apartment. We need more 600$ apartments, if you make 15$ an hour but rent is 1200$ you lost money.
While making this 10$ an hour I worked alongside many brilliant folks, a few had masters degrees. They had to manage student loans as well off 10$ an hour.
While this got muddled a bit, my point is there's more than one life path.
If you're not able to attend college, maybe your just not a good fit for it, you can still find a great career.
Likewise, you can get into a top school and still squander your life. Mental health here is a big issue, the pressure to do well can leave you permanently disabled.
College sorta serves as a filter, someone who attends an elite school is much more likely to be intrinsically motivated. But it serves no one to pressure people who just aren't college bound into attending anyway. It's just a great way to make someone nuts.
The pandemic was the last straw… I thought. I’m disturbed to see that the world is going right back to 'the way things were'.
Folks take the idea that you have to work for a living, and have dialed it up to eleven…thousand!
As best as I understand: hard work is not rewarded, it’s exploited. A natural resource to be drilled, pumped, and burned out.
That observation doesn't obviate some of the other points—there seems to be an "excellent sheep" problem: https://jakeseliger.com/2015/11/30/briefly-noted-excellent-s... most people who claim to be busy, but show many hours a day on their phones, will privately admit that perhaps there's something else going on than purely being "busy."
It's like you're completely ignoring the fact that phones and apps are designed to be addictive.
Growing up in a world where tech companies have been given free reign to psychologically manipulate users to increase screen time is yet another pressure facing that generation, it shouldn't be thrown in their face.
> admit that perhaps there's something else going on than purely being "busy."
- Snapchat is essential to some youth friendships nowadays, unfortunately,
- People dwell in dopamine hits, notably because their social life is broken. It’s a self-reinforcing problem, true, but initially their social life was broken. You don’t get into drugs when all is good, or at least you can resist.
School pupils having even 8 hours a day of screen time would not even remotely surprising during the pandemic — what else are they going to be doing? My (UK) school day routine was get up at 07:30, breakfast, leave the house at about 08:00 either for the bus or just (once I realised I could do the 3-ish mile walk fast enough) go direct on foot, 09:00-15:30 was the actual school day.
Initially I got home by 16:15, then watched a lot of TV; later, the school got an ISDN line and I stayed until 16:30 — memories of downloading and printing pictures from an artist called The Werewolf and getting home at 17:30 — but again followed by TV. Possibly video games on a Commodore 64, followed by a BBC model B, followed by a Performa 5200.
Actual homework? Bus, lunchtime, whenever; I had no interest in the tasks we had to do.
Of course, now I’m a “responsible adult” or something. Screen Time is reporting 6h 28m average per day over the last week, yet despite that, this is what I get done in a typical week:
Lol literally our whole world revolves around things that don’t matter think about it our whole
World revolves around things that won’t benefit us in the next life , just a bunch of people wasting their energy and time doing something another human came up with, and of course knowing how long the devil been around he’s pretty good at his job and if you look at the scripture you would know how he tried to trick the humans before us and a lot of information that most people won’t know because their so busy beeping tricked by the devil for example Solomon temple back in his time they also had technology but not as advanced if you knew what technology really was somethings will start to make sense and if you run the thought of how pretty much everything things we do in our lives was designed in a complex system by the devil and his helpers but wait you don’t want know the real truth it’s madder then anything you watched or
Your small
Little human brain could possibly imagine and oh covid omg wtf why so desperately did they want at least 70% of the world vaccinated and how did everyone go along that blows my mind more then anything I just told you lol I’ll predict the future so easy everything revolves around ISREAL lol too much
I am glad this is not the case in Europe (with the exception of the UK). Here we do not only look to performance and pride and you need to win everything. Individual development is very important. Hope it will remain like that.
This is a funny reply because “individual development” isn’t something you schedule in European eyes. You just hang around with friends and learn to be a good person, and specifically not a tight wound asshole.
They do, but the point is that you don't have to be better than everybody else at it to get into university. You just do it for yourself.
I'm not the in US, so my knowledge of the educational system comes only from what I read, but it's my understanding that "extracurriculars" are an important part of college admissions, which is different from Europe.
> I'm not the in US, so my knowledge of the educational system comes only from what I read, but it's my understanding that "extracurriculars" are an important part of college admissions, which is different from Europe.
That's really only a thing for the private universities and those don't make up a large percentage
I think it's a question of "important for what" and how society goes about teaching kids those things. As in:
In Europe, it's important that kids learn self-development, so we let them do it. And they do it by hanging out with friends, learning an instrument, etc. They're not pushed to do those things because colleges don't take these into account for admissions.
In the US, it's important that kids learn self-development, so we have them learn an instrument, or participate in sports. They are pushed to do those things because colleges take those into account for admissions.
Our family has decided to permanently disrupt Roblox at the house.
I find that the games my kids were playing were really just totally mindless. They involved no real skill or thought.
Most of the games consist of finding coins and then getting different skins for their character. Or even worse gaining “money” for time served and then buying things.
What’s up with the devs? These games are terrible and are just a waste land for our children.
The kids were bummed at first, but because there are so many other choices in gaming, they have recovered and not looked back.
> Most of the games consist of finding coins and then getting different skins for their character. Or even worse gaining “money” for time served and then buying things.
Isn't that actually the perfect description of real "adult" life in our society?
You’re not wrong, but do consider that while real life is, well, real. Part of a parents job is to prepare the kid for the real world, but also (maybe more importantly) provide this child with the tools to create the world they would like to exist in (which starts with the parents of course). I’m not saying it’s always possible, but i think its something a lot of parents consider.
Real life for me consists of very little time for friends, nature, or my community (if it wasn’t obvious my life is pmuch my family and my job), yet while my children will inevitably learn through my actions, I can try to use my words to express to them that there is another form of existence possible where they have time for those things I don’t.
Parenting can also a pretty fun exercise on cognitive dissonance at times... :)
A good friend of mine is a Roblox developer. He said the problem is the exact opposite. The first game he created was one he would want to play and got feedback that the game is too complicated for people who play Roblox and to make it easier. Now he makes easy games like you describe. Its what sells, so he builds it.
Why do games need skill or thought to be worthwhile? Quite often they're social spaces for my (8yo) son to play with his school friends, or meditative experiences when he's tired, or just silly jokes that he wants to show us - including some he makes himself. He can tell good games from bad, can recognise (and ditch) pay-to-win games really fast. It's a big place with its own culture and rules, and too interesting to write off.
Agreed based on what I've seen of Roblox lately. I haven't played Minecraft in a long time but it seems like a much better game for children, encouraging creativity and building things instead of just grinding for coins on a dopamine treadmill, though maybe that's changed under Microsoft
> What’s up with the devs? These games are terrible and are just a waste land for our children.
Aren't those games made by other children? For those, the time is all but wasted. And that would explain the simple gameplay.
edit: Reading other comments, it seems I've been totally unaware of how much money is on the table in this game... So it's probably not other children creating most of the content.
No. Anyone can make simple roblox game, but the popular good ones are made by adult developers.
Just like kids prefer to read books written by adults, see pictures by adults, the adults are more likely to be able to make entertaining games for kids.
my kids like the games and the ones they play have things to do:
brookhaven: A neighborhood with houses you can place down and "own", cars, various items. etc. They run around making up scenarios and then acting them out
natural disasters: Small maps and rounds where various disasters happen and you have to survive (lightning, tornadoes, etc)
fashion famous: everyone dresses up according to the theme for the round and then everyone picks a winner
And there are a lot of shit games but they get bored of these quickly.
Thanks for pointing that out. I'm pretty strict with the level of quality of the screen time consumed normally. Roadblox kind of gets around that by being a platform with tons of stuff so harder to moderate. I think I'll block it today.
What does this have to do w/ the article about service being disrupted?
This is a common trend where someone posts an article about company or product X and top replies say "X bad". It's not on topic or adding anything to the conversation
I'm a parent of a kid too young to be playing these games yet, and I appreciate seeing this sort of discussion and insight. I only hear, "My kid loves Roblox," from other people and had no idea until this thread that other parents didn't view it so positively.
I would agree with this assessment. As a long time teacher, our district is always talking about how to engage with hispanic males. They, as a group, underperform and no one knows how to engage with them and help them perform as they should.
It is always the same story and nothing seems to change.
There are already many effective processes that have been developed, schools however don't want to implement them for varying reasons (blind marking for example).
An example from Daniel Kahneman's Noise (I'm paraphrasing) - When university faculty was told of their bias in marking from hunger/mood/normal daily human sways, why didn't the first person marking it write the grade on the back so the second couldn't see it until the end: They responded that they used to do it that way, but it caused arguments.
I know that our teacher's union and the district we work for negotiated for almost a week about air filtration and circulation.
The HVAC is continuously circulating air from the time it is on until after school when it turns off. There is some time before school and maybe 20min after school when it is on.
They have settled on only pulling air from the outside instead of recycling the warm or cool air in the room.
And having some kind of agreement on the merv rating of the filters. It may be merv 7(but I'm not sure.)
As I get older and see my father getting cancers cut out of his face(the man never wore sunscreen), I more and more wear sunscreen.
So far my brand, think sport, has avoided all of these chemicals and it works really well. I’m sure there are other options out there that don’t contain the reported chemicals.
I don't know about what the Peloton experience is like, but:
My bike is on a trainer, and I see the following down-sides:
a) My bike on a trainer is really loud. Can't do it early; can't do it when the baby is sleeping, etc.
b) It's a moderate pain in the ass to hook and unhook. Not a huge pain in the ass, but I certainly didn't do it any time of the year it was feasible for me to bike to work.
c) It's dirty. I mean, the bike. I dislike washing the tires so I can bring it indoors even a couple of times a year, never mind if it's coming in and out constantly. And never mind the fact that even washed, my wife sure as hell isn't letting me bring that into a corner of the bedroom.
d) My bike has exposed chains and gearing that, if I'm not mistaken, the Peloton and similar bikes do not. I've got a toddler.
e) Indoor exercise bikes are usually reasonably set up to let you have somewhere to put your phone, or ipad, or kindle, etc. Bikes on a trainer do not. When I'm working out indoors, that makes a big difference for me.
This hasn't been enough to convince me to buy a Peloton, but I can certainly see why someone with more disposable income (or square footage) would.
Additionally, I think folks are assuming that you're the only cycling nut in the house. If there are two or more, then an easy-to-adjust bike is essential. If you think your non-mechanically-inclined partner is going to grab a hex wrench every time he wants to hit the "trainer", you will be sadly disappointed. Hell, if you think I, who used to be a bike mechanic in his misspent youth, am going to grab that hex wrench you'd be sadly mistaken. You stick a road bike on a trainer, and there will be exactly one person that ever uses it.
Summary: a dedicated indoor bike immensely reduces the friction of getting a ride in.
My wife & I swap our real bikes on a Wahoo Kickr. It takes less than 60 seconds to swap a bike. Then we get to use the same bikes we ride all summer as well - no adjustments necessary.
Same here - wife and I do the same thing. I will say that I would prefer not to but it *normally isn’t enough friction to stop it. To the commentators point it does add friction though.
Not that it's going to make (b) any better, but do you have purpose-made tyres on it? I've never tried with my road one, I heard it was loud and wore down extremely fast if you did so, so I just bought a smooth (and I think harder?) one designed for use on a trainer off the bat.
Could just be marketing and I fell for it, but seemed reasonable.
Re (b), and especially if you changed tyre, I suppose if you wanted to do that regularly you'd soon get a second quick-release rear wheel, so you didn't have to faff about switching skewers (and tyres!) - or better a 'direct drive' trainer (instead of running the bicycle wheel against another wheel, it comes off and you put the chain directly around a sprocket attached to the trainer).
> or better a 'direct drive' trainer (instead of running the bicycle wheel against another wheel, it comes off and you put the chain directly around a sprocket attached to the trainer).
The tacx flux and wahoo kickr are the quietest trainers available and are incredibly quiet, especially when placed on the shock absorbing pads wahoo sells. These direct drive trainers are easy to take your bike on and off too. IMO the pad takes care of the dirt factor too. Still dangerous for your toddler tho.
These days you can buy $200 hd tvs and a mini desktop to run zwift, which is much nicer than using on a mobile device.
f) The super sweating because there is no wind. I bought a fan to throw some air to me.
About your point e, I exercise close to a table. I put a bottle of water on there, with the phone (also for the app of the cardio) and the tablet to watch something while I pedal.
I sort of consider it two different types of workouts. Trainers for sure are great if you are comfortable putting it on and off. For me this was an at home spin bike with a nice heavy flywheel for resistance. You can totally accomplish a lot of it with a trainer, but they can range in price, sometimes much more than just a indoor cycling bike like I put together.
You also put additional miles on your bike with a trainer. Kind of depends on what you are looking for. Totally viable.
Because the customer for Peloton has very little overlap with the customer for indoor cycling trainer.
There are tens of millions of people in USA alone with zero desire to bike outside, who nonetheless desire some exercise experience that requires minimal knowledge or planning outside of class time.
> Why aren’t people just getting bikes and then putting them on trainers?
Maybe for single people, or households where only one person is interested in it.
Have you ever tried sharing the same bike with someone else who is an entirely different size than you?
A dedicated indoor bike comes with so many quick-and-easy adjustments for my wife and I that it is just so much easier to share. It's also crazy quiet, for what that's worth.
My $400 purchase, plus $10/mo for the Peloton app has been well worth it while we're waiting for gyms to open back up (or even for dumbbells to just come back in stock).
> That’s what I don’t get about this whole peloton thing.
The short answer is that people are idiots. The same people that spend thousands on a Peloton are the ones that previously were spending comparative amounts at “spin classes”, which are nothing more than riding a bike while someone yells at you. At best, it forces them to do the workout so they don’t feel like their money is being wasted.
I’ve long proposed a fitness program where you pay some exorbitant fee, say $500/month, to work out alone and you get a rebate for each workout. I bet it’d have incredible results.
Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a trainer is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?
Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a group is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?
Do you think that emulating being with a group would have value for those that would otherwise value working with a group?
Do you think that anyone who falls into the "works out better with a group and a trainer, or an emulation thereof" must be an idiot? Or do you think that category simply doesn't exist?
From my experience in competitive powerlifting, working out by myself, working out with others, working out with a coach, working out with an app yelling at me, are all very different endeavors, with different outcomes. Maybe I'm just an idiot.
> Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a trainer is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?
Honestly no. It’s just a symptom of being a weak minded person who can’t commit to self improvement.
> Do you think that working out entirely alone vs. with a group is the same thing? Do you think there are some people that would derive a differential benefit by going with one vs. the other?
If you say ask it twice it doesn’t change the response.
> Do you think that emulating being with a group would have value for those that would otherwise value working with a group?
Of course it has value. But it’s the workout equivalent of hiring a prostitute. Find some real friends to work out with. Or just play some music and pedal.
> Do you think that anyone who falls into the "works out better with a group and a trainer, or an emulation thereof" must be an idiot? Or do you think that category simply doesn't exist?
A group, a trainer, and a spin class instructor that just yells at you on a preset rhythm are three different things.
> From my experience in competitive powerlifting, working out by myself, working out with others, working out with a coach, working out with an app yelling at me, are all very different endeavors, with different outcomes. Maybe I'm just an idiot.
I didn’t insult having a trainer or anything to do with powerlifting with a group. Hell, a spotter is all but mandatory in that situation.
I’m specifically referring to idiots paying someone to yell at them to speed up or slow down while riding a bike. You could record one session and play it back on a speaker and it’d be the same thing.
Not at all. I’m saying that they’re being preyed upon by an industry that’s taking advantage of their weak wills.
Teaching them to focus their will power would pay off much more than a “class” where there’s no actual lesson. To be clear, I’m not taking about actual instruction like a sport like tennis or a lifting program, I’m specifically referring to group cardio programs that are nothing more than loud music and an instructor feeding the participants a series of “Simon says” instructions.
I bought one and I don't consider myself an idiot... pal. Thank you very much.
I have a pretty big background in fitness (studied/taught martial arts for 15 years, coached(L1) Crossfit, was a powerlifter and also an amateur olympic lifter for a few years). I like fighting, lifting heavy, and I personally hate cardio. I live in a city that gets cold, and the Peloton sits in my room and I constantly jump on it and get my heart rate up daily. I've lost 20 pounds in the last 4 months.
Before this purchase I had never been to a spin class in my life. I'd rather bike than run, because I'm lazy and I appreciate sitting down. The Peloton classes are great and they have HIIT, EMOM's, long distance rides, and their "Power Zone" stuff guides you through hitting your VO2max, Lactate Threshold, etc.
I already have a home gym, and the bike cost + $40/mo for classes makes it so I don't have get a gym membership and drive to a gym since I can do everything at home. Plus, there are gorgeous women motivating me to work.
You may not be the ideal customer for this product, but don't call those that are idiots.
Exercise is one of those discipline things, that are more emotional than physical or logical (along with food and sex). Sure its 'easy' to just to the right thing. But there are emotional hurdles, and a mentor/trainer/group is the way social animals like man-apes deal with that.
