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Some people just want their name in the contributor list, whether it's for ego, to build a portfolio, etc. I think that's what it comes down to. Many projects, especially high profile ones, have to deal with low effort contributions - correcting spelling mistakes, reformatting code, etc. It's been going on for a long time. The Linux contributor guidelines - probably a lot of other projects too - specifically call this stuff out and caution people not to do it lest they suffer the wrath of the LKML. AI coding tools open up all kinds of new possibilities for these types of contributors, but it's not AI that's the problem.

Really cool product. How do you plan to monetize it?

You guys need some marketing help. There’s a lot of potential here, but you don’t do a good job of selling it. Tell me what problems I’m going to be able to solve or what headaches it will eliminate. Can it going into that shitty Canvas app my kids’ school uses, identify outstanding assignments or low grades and send me a daily text summary? Can it automate buying everything on my grocery list and setting up delivery? Or look up flight options, ask me what I want and book it for me? Even better, I’m stuck having to look up international flights for 7 people in three households, get everyone to agree on one and then book them. Please build something that will do that.

Keep at it because this thing is cool!


> You guys need some marketing help. There’s a lot of potential here, but you don’t do a good job of selling it.

Thank you for the feedback. Ack, we need to do a better job of marketing.

> How do you plan to monetize it? Our goal is to eventually to sell license for enterprise browsers.


Have you ever thought about a marketplace for premade workflows? Or a library of integrations that are already tested that a user can mix and match to create complex automations? Or access to more MCP servers?

For example, it would be really neat to trigger jobs that perform some task and then make a call to Twilio or something to send an alert. Or some building blocks that tie into my Square account or Amazon account. I want to be able to describe the results I want, but I don’t want to explain how to interact with a particular service and then test that.

I would love to be able to give a prompt like this: “review my item library in Square, identify items that are missing descriptions or are miscategorized, propose the fixes, and confirm with me before making any changes.” That’s an extremely tedious task that requires a lot of clicking and page loads. I hate it and I would pay for your product if you could save me that time.

Or this: “Every month, alert me to any fluctuations in product cost and which items in my Square catalog are affected. Highlight any items where my COGS exceeds 35%. All the invoices are available in my email.” That would be incredibly powerful. Doing this manually can take days.


> “Every month, alert me to any fluctuations in product cost and which items in my Square catalog are affected. Highlight any items where my COGS exceeds 35%. All the invoices are available in my email.” That would be incredibly powerful.

You could try this use case on on agent builder even today. We also have a scheduled tasks for you to schedule it to run monthly

> Have you ever thought about a marketplace for premade workflows?

We want to do this and are moving towards that! But we first need to make the premade (or user published) workflows very reliable.


Why should Red Hat be expected to contribute to Gentoo? A distro is funded by its own users. What distro directly contributes to another distro if it’s not a derivative or something?

Red Hat primarily contributes code to the kernel and various OSS projects, paid for by the clients on enterprise contracts. A paying client needs something and it gets done. Then the rest of us get to benefit by receiving the code for free. It’s a beautiful model.

If you look at lists of top contributors, Red Hat (along with the usual suspects in enterprise) are consistently at the top.


It’s not exactly obscure. It’s Arch with a nice installer and binaries with compiler optimizations for the latest hardware. It’s not a crazy choice if you have very new hardware. It feels exactly like Arch because it is.


Someone has to pay for it because it’s expensive to develop. There’s a ton of money in Linux just like there is in proprietary operating systems. There are like 4000-5000 kernel contributors and most of them are doing this work on some company’s payroll. There’s an enormous amount of resources going into Linux to the point where a proprietary OS couldn’t possibly keep up.

The real genius of Linux is the economic model, getting companies to buy into it and actually delivering value far in excess of what it costs anybody to contribute. It’s winning precisely because the value proposition cannot be matched.


Except many of those contributions never land upstream.

Hence why we usually with the cloud provider distros.

Example, what powers DGX OS isn't fully available to GNU/Linux users other than a binary blob.


> Example, what powers DGX OS isn't fully available to GNU/Linux users other than a binary blob.

What do you mean? Are they violating the GPL by not releasing the modified source?


Most of their stuff isn't GPL anyway, hence why drivers are mostly in userspace.


That’s the wrong way to look at it. Instead, look at how much does land upstream. Linux moves at an incredible pace.

Edit: BTW the figure I cited are contributors to mainline.


Yet it is still a mess to support laptops, because everything still needs to be reverse engineered instead of landing into upstream.


My laptops have been running fine for years.


What I had with Linux did also worked fine, provided I was happy with randomly dropping wlan sessions when doing heavy downloads, using OpenGL 3.3 instead of the OpenGL 4.1, watching YouTube without hardware decoding, and having to take out the battery when it hang during a reboot.

Other than that, it was a great Linux laptop, 2009 - 2024.


It often comes down to not using the right software and training issues. They have to use Acrobat, which has a redaction tool. This is expensive so some places cheap out on other tools that don’t have a real redaction feature. They highlight with black and think it does the same thing whereas the redaction tool completely removes the content and any associated metadata from the document.

This was basically the only reason we were willing to cough up like $400 for each Acrobat license for a few hundred people. One redaction fuckup could cost you whatever you saved by buying something else.

I would like to believe that the DOJ lacking the proper software might have something to do with DOGE. That would be sweet irony.


If my law firm can't afford the $20/month for a copy of Acrobat Pro, I'd be very concerned what else they are cutting corners on.


Law firms are notoriously behind in tech. I’ve seen some shit. A small firm running on the owner’s personal Dropbox account with client matter files stored alongside his porn collection, ancient, unsupported software, unpatched systems, basically zero information security, servers in a bathroom and network switches in a shower, a literal hoarder with garbage and shit in the office, etc. The Dropbox guy was basically a giant in his practice area. Very successful. You have no idea how bad things are behind the scenes.


I think it's usually a bit more complicated, i.e. the people who were expected to do processes don't and someone else shows the people asking for access that there's a faster, cheaper, cooler tool.


This is to be expected from an effort like DOGE simply because the E is for Efficiency. That is, how well a system is performing. The ratio of energy input to output.

Unfortunately the E in DOGE should have been for Effectiveness. That is, is the system shooting at the right target, and how close is it to hitting that target.

You can be very efficient but if you’re doing the wrong thing(s) you’re ultimately wasting resources.

The irony is, DOGE got the E wrong. It’s efficient but not effective


Or it a scam run by someone who wants to get access the social security info on americans. We are in trouble if you think the acronym is the biggest issue


I was speaking to the difference between efficiency and effectiveness. DOGE is simply the current best example.

Putting the obvious aside, sure, it’s Trump’s fault the system was so mismanaged that he’s been able to get elected. Twice. You’d think that after the first term the system would have gotten the message. It did not.

My recommendation to you is ask: How did we get here? And who is accountable for this?

There’s a very good chance those giving you your current narrative marching orders are on that list. Funny, right? Why own their failure when they can convince fools to blame a symptom?


not even, anyone still left at DOJ working to protect the president is immensely corrupt, and this is just that careless stupidity that typically goes along with deeply corrupt people.


I feel like the number of incidents related to "fully public S3 buckets" has gone down after AWS made it nearly impossible to miss the notice.


I think someone just got free marketing materials to promote the redaction tools.

Now much more people will be aware of the issue.


Are you saying that only Adobe PDF has proper redaction tools? I did a quick search and found several open source PDF tools claiming to do redaction- are they all faulty? I would honestly be surprised if there aren't any free tools that do it right.


No that's not what GP is saying. GP is saying that there is software that does not have a redaction feature (perhaps because the developer didn't implement it), but users of the software worked around it by adding a black rectangle to the PDF in such software, falsely believing it to be equivalent to redaction.

Properly implementing redaction is a complicated task. The redaction can be applied to text, so the software needs to find out which text is covered by the rectangle and remove it. The redaction can be applied to images, so the software needs to edit a dizzying array of image formats supported by PDF (including some formats frequently used by PDFs but used basically nowhere else, like JBIG2). The redaction can be applied to invisible text (such as OCR text of a scanned document). The redaction can be applied to vector shapes, so some moderately complicated geometry calculations are needed to break the vector shapes and partially delete them.

It's very easy to imagine having a basic PDF editor that does not have a redaction feature because implementing the feature is hard.

For the same reason, a basic PDF editor does not have a real crop feature. Such an editor adds a cropbox and keeps all the content outside the cropbox.


This is great. I've been checking on it periodically. I'm using the Framework 13 Ryzen AI 300 and the Framework Desktop so not quite there yet. Interested in taking FreeBSD for a spin when the support is there.


The anti-AI people think they are in the majority. They could be, but I suspect that's not the case. I would be surprised if many in the anti-AI crowd could even point to the specific features of the devices and software they use daily that fall under the "AI" umbrella. Meanwhile, regular people are increasingly turning to chatbots instead of search engines. It seems clear we are at peak hype, but this stuff is here to stay.


You can disable all that stuff. We used to have email clients, newsgroup clients, HTML editors, etc. built into our browsers. It used to be about creating a suite of tools to meet all your needs on the web. Since then, all that stuff just moved to web apps that you access using the browser so that's mostly all that remains. Vivaldi still has an email client available. A crypto wallet isn't the end of the world. I look at it as sort of a modern throwback to Netscape Communicator, which Brendan Eich helped create.

The BAT stuff is definitely more controversial, but mostly only because Brave blocks others' ads in lieu of their own. It was an interesting idea to present an alternative method for a privacy-respecting ad-supported web. Personally, I wouldn't be as aggressive in blocking ads if they weren't so intrusive and didn't compromise my privacy or security. I look at that whole thing as a swing and miss. I'm not going to beat them up for trying something new when we can all see that the modern web is a cesspool.

You can still turn all that crap off, which is what I do when I use Brave, and you have a pretty solid browser.


I've heard this from other people. Is there any evidence of it though?


I've had 500 applications over the last four years come back without ever having gotten an interview. With my background and experience I've always gotten at the bare minimum an HR call before. Now none.

None of the jobs ads are real.


I hear you. I've been through it too. I'm not necessarily doubting there are fake job postings. Just asking if there's any credible evidence besides our anecdotal accounts.

Is it possible it's largely caused by shitty ATS software that everyone uses and we are mistakenly attributing it to fake job postings?


I think it's more that for white collar jobs in the west, applications get spammed into oblivion that your resume will never reach an actual human without the ATS triggering a 100% match on all the buzzwords.


If you look at HN who is hiring threads sometimes the same companies post every time for very extended periods of time. And I've applied at some of them to never hear back. IMO they're just fishing for people who have specific profiles that they don't disclose in the job description, not actually hiring.


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