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The reality is until the median consumer cares about how their data is used (aka probably never) that your only choice is to not use products who use data in a way you don't like.


Wrong. The problems come from regulation itself. From bureaucracies that freeze innovation, protect incumbents, and smother experimentation under compliance costs, etc.


There's always regulation. The choice is between self-serving regulation by a few lucky assholes or regulation by society for the society.

If you let the tobacco industry self-regulate, smoking ads would still be legal, and there would be no ban on selling cigarettes to kids.

This is the situation in IT.


And certainly, upstarts and social challenges to incumbent tobacconists would be met with regulations.


> The problems come from regulation itself.

The problems also come from improperly regulated businesses, operating in the 3rd stage of encrapification where they stifle innovation that threaten their *opoly and the choke-hold they have on their captured regulators.

Every ideology and system is fundamentally flawed.

Worse, zealots (of said I/S) compulsively refuse to recognize that their own house needs cleaning. And they not only don't clean, they'll savagely attack anyone who attempts to do the needed cleaning (improve the ideology by addressing it's flaws).

No One Anywhere Will Clean Their Own House is an absolute human constant, right between death and taxes.


Regulation is the result of politics, and politics is the result (in democracies) of the inputs of every person in society. Dismissing regulation, or in Thiel's formulation, conflating regulators with the antichrist is therefore anti-democratic and anti-people. The anti-regulation side of SV, which comes from the libertarian / Randian utopia, is one of its least appealing and most ignorant aspects.


Regulation is usually the result of some industry way overdoing bad stuff.


Libertarianism is selfishness inoculated from the human condition


... in his opinion.


The author clearly hates Thiel and spends most of the essay mocking Thiel and his ideas without actually engaging with the ideas. The author’s essay is itself meandering, dense with digressions and snide parentheticals. He faults Thiel for grandstanding and over-referencing but indulges in the same. Waste of time.


When you start with the antichrist as a real person and contemporary threat everything that comes after is gonna fall apart. I agree with RFK on ultraprocessed foods and weightlifting, the health benefits of which are well-established by science; but I'm not going to agree with him on dismantling the FDA, ending vaccinations for everything, and that germ theory is a scientific conspiracy.


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> Thiel is clearly out of his depth, unless we're going to pretend he's an informed Bible scholar now. And he's clearly not, since the Antichrist as a figure is an evangelical creation about 150 years old and is not in the Bible at all.

You, my friend, are ill-informed. The idea of the antichrist has deep and complex origins that developed over centuries, blending Jewish apocalyptic expectations, early Christian theology, and later medieval interpretation.

John 2:18 — “Children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that Antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come.”

1 John 4:3 — “This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.”


The concept of an antikhristos is not found in Jewish writings in the period 500 BC–50 AD.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antichrist

It's a later addition, does not refer to one individual only and is said to

... may have been generated by the frustration of Jews subject to often-capricious Seleucid or Roman rule, who found the nebulous Jewish idea of a Satan who is more of an opposing angel of God in the heavenly court insufficiently humanised and personalised to be a satisfactory incarnation of evil and threat same source.


This is a pedantic, at best, claim.

If you want scholarly, informed, resources that aren't an ignorant billionaire talking out of his ass, I can provide those. If you aren't interested, kindly stop replying to this thread.


What point are you proving by quoting fiction?


I responded to someone who said “Antichrist” isn’t in the bible by quoting it from said book. So they are ill-informed.


GGP didn’t say “Antichrist” wasn’t in the bible. They said that antichrist “as a figure” wasn’t in the bible. Even the Wikipedia article on Antichrist will give you a rich overview of this discussion and general scholarly agreement that that word as used in the bible does not reference a specific figure.

There is quite a lot of nuance here. You can’t just keyword search.


Many (most?) of the characters in the Bible are mythological…

Even if some are rooted in some real person, the stories about them etc. cannot be considered accurate historical accounts.


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> The masses don't deserve to hear what he has to say.

That's a very strange thing to say, unless the sarcasm meter was missing. If Thiel's views are only for the cognoscenti, then I think we have bigger problems to talk about.


Why is this on HN? Did you get lost on the way to /r/politics?


There's a difference between "siding with Russia" and siding with negotiated peace.

Many people seem to think that the US, and to a lesser extent the EU, should fund this war indefinitely. However, the US clearly does not benefit from a direct war with Russia, and while we may gain from a proxy war, choosing not to fund it does not equate to “siding with Russia.”


Negotiated peace was what Russia and Ukraine had before, and Russia unilaterally broke it.

That is why the focus now is on security guarantees, which the U.S. is refusing so far. Without those, anything negotiated is a gift to Russia, specifically the gift of time to regroup and re-arm for another attack later on.

Lasting peace is not created by concessions, it is created when instigators believe they have more to lose than to gain from further violence.


US security guarantees are probably not worth the paper they are written on.


It is an absurd position that the US should be on the hook to indefinitely pay for any war anywhere in the world forever, and if they attempt to negotiate peace while pulling out of that war that they are siding with the opposition.


The problem is not that the U.S. is trying to negotiate for peace, the problem is that the administration is doing a hilariously bad job of it by giving up all leverage right off the bat.


We don't have any leverage against Russia. America has no appetite to fight them directly. If Ukraine were more effective at hurting Russia where it counts, then we might have leverage but the last few years have shown that they are not capable of that.


US should be on the hook to indefinitely pay for a particular war that resulted out of a diplomatic agreement (Budapest memorandum) that effectively prevented Ukraine from defending itself by making it surrender its nukes in exchange for nebulous security guarantees that weren't honored by US.


I think it's a fine rule of thumb but what does Putin have to gain from negotiating with Zelenskyy who he is seen as a Western puppet orchestrated as legacy of US intel agency involvement? (Which we admitted is true…)

People in this thread are completely incapable of seeing any legitimacy in any Russian concerns about Ukraine.


Whether someone's concerns are legitimate is in the eye of the beholder, but actions can be directly observed. Unilateral violent invasion must not become a legitimate tactic again. It was the norm for centuries, and excluding it resulted in the fastest rise in global living standards in history--including in the U.S. and Russia.


Do you recommend violent 2014 coups instead? That is our position on Ukraine, officially.


The coup happened before 2014, when Yanukovich took over the supreme court and reverted the country's constitution.


The US was literally created the same way.


Yes, actually, that’s how a lot of modern states got founded.


legitimate is in the eye of the beholder is right!


I'm just raising concerns! With a howitser.


So NATO is literally trying to kill Putin, what formal legal avenue would you like Russia to take?

Decades of NATO enlargement. What do you expect? Poke bear enough and it will bite you! But don’t be shocked…


Putin could have kicked back and enjoyed his dacha like other less powerful dictators do all over the world, but no, he had to write a "scientific" treatise about Ruski Mir and how the Ukraine isn't actually a thing. He wants a legacy.

Well, he got it and whatever happens in the war, Russia is cooked. It's never coming back from this.

It will either fracture from the war going badly, or it will become a vassal state of China, and ironically, perhaps the US, the way things are going with the White House these days.


The other powerful “dictators” get dragged through the streets or hanged for daring to enjoy an economic system outside the US dollar. Putin knows this and so should you.


It's very easy. To not get dragged in the streets as a dictator, you need a) nukes and b) chill in your dacha.

Putins actions now actually exposed himself to the dragged-in-the-streets treatment, by his own people. But it's all worth it, because of Ruski Mir.


> That is why the focus now is on security guarantees, which the U.S. is refusing so far.

This seems obvious to me, but is apparently not obvious to many here.... America (no country really) can guarantee Ukrainian security without risking WWIII, and frankly there's no reason to. At the end of the day, from a non-Ukrainian standpoint, it doesn't really matter who administers the land that today is Ukraine.


When the “negotiated peace” is “Russia gets everything they want, you give us every dime and your treasury, and we don’t promise to actually help you when Russia attacks again after we let them re-arm for as long as they like”…. That isn’t a peace deal, it’s virtually unconditional surrender.


Under what circumtances is the US allowed to pull out of a war they didn't start, which does not directly involve any US interests, in which we have already invested $110bn? Never? Not until we spend another $500bn we don't have?


The USA certainly is involved, they signed the Budapest Memorandum.


To be brutally frank, then you shouldn't have stopped Europe and the EU from building an independent military for the last few decades.

Like, it's totally fine that the US wants to return to isolation, but don't expect to keep all the benefits of the post 45 world order if you do so.

If I were a US citizen I'd probably be more concerned about the upcoming oil tariffs from Canada, but whatevs.


No one is arguing that the US isn't allowed to pull out.

But "negotiating" a treaty with the other side and then claiming that that treaty is the final word on the war is atrocious. That's what's crazy. Not ending US involvement, but trying to say that Ukraine must stop fighting.

Now, I also think the US should keep supporting Ukraine, but that's a totally different topic.


This isn’t pulling out. It’s embarassing an ally on the world stage while acting like the spoiled toddler and Putin asset that he is. This is not normal. This isn’t even bad. This is outside politics and just flat out treasonous.


The US has literally sided with Russia in the UN.


so did Israel.


The US has sided with Russia against European and Western civilisation. Don’t understate what we are witnessing. The betrayal of civilisation is almost complete.


I think it's the characterization that Ukraine started the war that makes people feel a sentiment that is aligned with Russia.


Yes, there's a difference, and what Trump is doing is clearly siding with Russia. His "negotiated peace" is neither negotiated nor peace. It's a surrender.

You don't have to support Ukraine indefinitely; only until Russia stops. Your options are to support Ukraine until Russia stops, or to surrender until Russia stops.


Are you under the impression that at some point Russia will simply say “well it was worth a try”, and retreat home?


Not impossible since something similar has already happened in Vietnam (at least once) and in Afghanistan (at least twice)


No. Not at all. There will come a point when Russia will stop the war because either Russia is completely exhausted and on the verge of collapse, or Putin is dead or removed from power. And chances are those two will go together.


If Putin is removed from power, it won't be with somebody more friendly to the west.


Depends on who does the removing. It could go a lot of different ways, but even if it's someone from his own government who is hostile to the west, they're still likely to use it as an excuse to end the war.


And you don't think Russia will escalate to tactical nukes in Ukraine before that point?


No


Why not?


It's mind blowing to me to see the left being the war mongers now. That used to be the mantle of the right, but hey, here we are.

The arguments I see for the US staying involved are the same hand wavy ones used in Vietnam - "better to fight them over in Asia then in America". It was a weak argument then, and it's a weak argument now.

The people that helped fan the flames of this war don't give one crap about Ukraine. What they care about is the neocon policy of "do anything to keep America's rival weak". So funding a war that Ukraine pays the price for works just fine.

The truth is that the war is going to end eventually and it's not going to be Russia capitulating. So rather than a hundred thousand more dead might as well find a solution.

Seems like a pretty rationale decision to me.


I do not think you can compare this conflict with Vietnam. US army went into Vietnam, while Ukraine is fighting a US rival with their own military, but they do use US provided equipment.

General public in Europe didn't see US as actively involved, or at least didn't see it until the new administration said it would end the conflict. This is when Trump administration started getting into "talks with Russia" and offering Ukraine "mineral deals". While US might have tried to do that even before, it was not discussed openly by presidents.

This war is going to flame out eventually. Lessons learned in this one will be used for the next one, which is going to hurt even more.


> There's a difference between "siding with Russia" and siding with negotiated peace.

There is absolutely no difference, when the US is negotiating that peace only with Russia, without Ukraine in the room.

With Trump administration officials not able to name a single compromise they’ve asked from Russia.

If the “negotiated peace” is “I asked the country that invaded you what they want, and you must do everything they asked for”, that’s not negotiation.

I will never understand how people can be so quick to abandon independence nations, and are so willing to bow to dictators. You would cheer Chamberlain submitting to Hitler as he launches an invasion as a momentous day for peace. You would be wrong then, and you are wrong now.


"stop advancing" is the compromise asked from Russia


They already stopped advancing 6 months ago.


Exactly... so what's the purpose of continuing the fight and killing Russian and Ukrainian men for no reason? This forum used to be a strong supporter of men's rights, but apparently these disappear once we dehumanize them via international relations. There's literally no reason for any individual Russian or Ukrainian man to die right now, since we all agree that no territory is being gained or lost.


There are 2 important reasons.

The reason for Ukrainian men to die, is to protect their families from being tortured by Russians when the Russians take another city.

The reason for Russian men to die, is to not be murdered by their own officer.


Is that why Ukrainian men are being dragged kicking and screaming off the streets?


OP was giving a good reason for Ukrainians to fight. Whether Ukrainians are actually listening to those reasons is another matter.


Russian and Ukrainian men would stop dying if Russia withdrew its military from Ukraine.


I disagree with this post, but it’s very disheartening to see that comments that are polite and well-made are being downvoted as if they are trolls.


Some interesting discussion in the author's X thread here: https://x.com/zzlccc/status/1887557022771712308


First, VCs don't get paid when "dogshit startups" get acquired, they get paid when they have true outlier successes. It's the only way to reliably make money in the VC business.

Second, want to give any examples of "shitty, hype-based compan[ies]" (I assume you mean companies with no real revenue traction) getting bought out for "a few billion".

Third, investment banks facilitate sales of assets, they don't buy them themselves.

Maybe sit out the conversation if you don't even know the basics of how VC, startups, or banking work?


> First, VCs don't get paid when "dogshit startups" get acquired

https://www.reuters.com/article/business/peloton-raises-12-b...


That’s an article about Peloton’s IPO.


I hope not, have you used both apps? Texts is much more stable and easy to use than Beeper in my experience.


Not my experience. I’ve tried (and am still trying) texts and not once I was able to have it just work. Constantly messages not showing up, accounts not loading, or something else missing. I’ve been submitting heaps of feedback to the Texts team.

It looks great but feels very alpha/beta to me, and I decided to not renew my subscription


I'm a pretty avid Texts user, and I both agree and don't… as much as I ~regularly run into hiccups of some kind, I feel they're pretty inevitable with this sort of thing, and the parts of Texts that _could_ be stable definitely are. The overall product feels polished and snappy IMO.


I've not had a day without issues. I don't know if this is something wrong with my account (instagram), but it's so unreliable that I can't trust that what I see in Texts is actually how the conversation looks like. Funnily enough, I ran Beeper in parallel as backup.

Weird things from a message missing in between other messages, new messages not showing up at all, messages I send not arriving, etc.

(The iOS app is on a completely different level with it not even refreshing my messages most of the time until I disable and enable certain accounts again. But it's in TestFlight so I'll treat it as a beta and not expect too much polish yet)

I've religiously submitted feedback constantly to them, together with console logs and error dumps, but now my trial expired and I just can't justify paying for it in the current state :/


ah, yeah their instagram integration is often pretty rough.


Texts.com runs locally, Beeper runs bridges.


The Beeper codebase is also in a pretty bad state.


What information is this based on?


The codebase


Didn't they just do a ground-up rewrite?


Let’s hope so


Building an actually successful business is the most pro-user thing any company can do.


"it clashes with deep values of the people who aren't shareholders, but are no doubt vested in the product the company produces, mainly the customers. It ignores their needs completely because they don't own stock."

Presumably companies generate value for shareholders by selling things to customers and generating profits, which makes customers the ultimate beneficiaries. What companies are you thinking of that ignores their customers' needs completely and are still quite successful and valuable for shareholders?


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