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It literally is this way. America has ignored the plight of poor working class whites by grouping them with elite whites and treating them as one privileged group.

Then they focused on elevating nonwhites non Christians and homosexuals to higher social and economic standing not realizing or simply choosing to ignore that most white people really arent that much better off than non whites if you remove elites from the statistics.

So to poor white Americans this seems like a free pass or line jump for everybody else and we are now living through the political reaction to this injustice.

You can't tell 65% of your population to step aside without some repercussions.

Enjoy the madness.


Paywalled? And duh.



Lmao why do people think quoting laws and statutes will do anything. It's like pointing to a school code of conduct while a bully has your head in a toilet.

It doesn't matter what the laws say. No one is going to enforce them against this president or his admins and if they tried no police or military force would enact their orders. Trump is above the law. It's gameover.


Baffles me that people are still not straight out facing how despotism works. The US isn't a democracy anymore. There won't be any fair elections. The next candidate will be decided, like the outcome of research will be announced.


There's a difference between pessimism and defeatism.

In this case, pointing out that he is contradicting Congress is one of the few things that might help move the needle on Congressional impeachment.


You misunderstand. America was collapsing under the weight of ineffective liberal leadership kowtowing to special interest groups and putting DEI above all else.

Now we are righting the ship and removing leftist influence from government agencies, academia, and media.

We are acting, and it is glorious.


even a monkey can act by flinging faeces at random. you are proud of things you should feel shame about. It takes a special kind of "genius" to look at established things and not consider that half a century+ of bipartisan leadership may have considered getting rid of those things but knew better.

You're like a wealthy person burning down his fancy cars, and his property because the servants used it. Not caring your wealth and pride is tied up in those things.


It's funny and sad when it's hard to tell the difference between satire and an earnest post.

I don't understand opposition to diversity, especially in this country, but hey at least we agree on the the fact that "kowtowing to special interest groups" is probably a bad thing to do.

If you're serious, I hope you reflect on the fact that you're bragging about intentionally removing opposing views from society. I don't believe I can change anyone's mind with a comment but just asking you to double check your internal compass on if you think that kind of thing is actually a good idea.


There is nothing wrong with diversity. The problem is quotas to prove you are trying to foster a diverse environment, that pushes everyone in the majority class down a peg to meet some moral goal.

Then there is living in a constant state of "walking on eggshells" at work, at school etc. employers hiring diverse applicants to use as show ponies for photo ops, the majority class employees being terrified of ever giving honest criticism for fear of being labeled a racist or sexist or whatever-ism that people want to throw around.

Being told subliminally in k-12 and then overtly in higher education that "white people" are the problem or white men are the root of all ills in society.

Seeing all the high school and college valedictorians being mostly female but then reviewing their work and seeing nothing original or meaningful come from it. Wonder what's going on there?

I am for a fair playing field, it if the landscape is such that your appearance gives you an unfair advantage in life then I am against it. And no, being white in America is not an unfair advantage, I am white and I feel like I have been passed over for everything in favor of someone who is presumed to have a harder life than I have. For the record I grew up in poverty and use a wheelchair daily yet I went to college and got a cs degree and took out the loans and put in the years of work. I overcame all my obstacles WITHOUT someone giving me a leg up because I WORKED HARD and bit the bullet. And I paid back the loans!

Seeing all these woke crybaby actors and special interest group people cry because they didn't get a golden escalator to the top as if it was their due is why this conservative revolution is happening.

There are too many softhearted fools who honestly believe the world owes them something for whatever happened to their ancestors generations ago, whether it was slavery, or the church, or the pilgrims/colonizers whatever. They fail to realize you don't get anything by whining. You take it, or you work/trade for it, but you will never get and keep power by crying for attention.

They took it for a while, but now we are taking it back. Damn the fucking rules.


You have some good points, but realize that actual racism when it comes to hiring, renting, business interactions and more scenarios like that is very real. You don't even have to look far, there are plenty of researches and even successful lawsuit surrounding last-name bias. If you have a last name that indicates african or latino ancestry, your resume gets tossed out the majority of the time (yes,not sometimes but most of the time). If you substitute only the last name of the resume and application and apply to the same list of companies with a european name you will get at least an invitation for a first round phone interview most of the time. I can see all the faults with diversity and inauthentic DEI efforts, but what I think well meaning people misunderstand is that that problem pales in comparison to actual racism that's going on.

Like, ok, get rid of DEI but can you wait until racial profiling in hiring goes down a bit? like give it at least one more generation? a person who was 20 in 1963 facing "no blacks" signs all over America is 85 today, young enough to still be working in congress, vote and drive still and even serve as CEO or on a board.

> There are too many softhearted fools who honestly believe the world owes them something for whatever happened to their ancestors generations ago, whether it was slavery, or the church, or the pilgrims/colonizers whatever. They fail to realize you don't get anything by whining. You take it, or you work/trade for it, but you will never get and keep power by crying for attention.

Yeah, i don't care for what you said there but people should be treated fairly right? forget history, forget all that. but if you have skills you should have work opportunity right? People are owed a fair chance at life's opportunities. that isn't happening, diversity,dei,etc.. is a flawed approach to address all that. If people like you suggested better ways of solving the racism problem, that would be great, but your solution is to leave racism alone and pretend it isn't a thing.


There is 0 chance companies are refusing to hire skilled candidates that could make them money based solely on race. If this is happening it is because they bring more problems than profit when they enter the company.

And if companies are discriminating on race then you wouldn't want to work there anyway. The solution is not to force everyone to get along, that only breeds more resentment.

Far more likely is companies are weighing their liabilities by hiring a black or Latino or gay person or whatever and then facing a lawsuit because said person underperforms and plays the race card when consequences come around. The companies are afraid of upsetting these people so they are in essence elevated above their coworkers in terms of power/protections at work.

The DEI solution is to present a threat of greater liabilities immediately to companies by not hiring these people.

If I own a business and I want a peaceful cooperative work group I should be allowed to only hire based on what I see as the best fit.

If that means all people of a certain race or group are removed from my hiring pool then that's a stupid strategy because I am leaving competitive employees on the table for other businesses, so I would t do that, unless I had very good reason to believe this particular individual will bring excess friction to the work space.

It's not the governments job to step in and regulate how companies hire their employees.

If companies refuse to hire these people en masse their strategy should be to start their own company and present a real threat of competition to the companies that spurned them.


That's the whole point. Make it hurt so their government has to comply.


Lol the Chinese government will make out like bandits. "Corrupt" party members will be paid to look the other way as import/export business forge paperwork and wash the point of origin through proxies. The tariff differential between China and proxy countries is basically a corruption bounty.


There's absolutely no chance that China will comply just because some of their population will hurt.

They even nailed shut the doors during Covid to prevent people from going out.


Then the tariffs stay in place. The secondary goal of moving manufacturing to the us will be met if China refuses to comply.

Get ready for 1000% tariffs.


Nah, manufacturing will just move to other countries where it's cheaper.


Is everyone on hacker news so entitled and privileged they cannot even imagine an American citizen wanting to work for a living?

I absolutely would work a factory job if it paid 100k+ and meant owning a home someday.

Instead I got 100k student loans and make 60k at a desk and I'll never have a life outside of work because I simply can't afford it.

I'll be 35 this year after 12 years of working and just starting to have a positive net worth.

American dream my ass.


A 100k factory job and you're calling others entitled? This is the equivalent of the famous Arrested Development skit, "what does a banana cost, $10?"


Every tradesman I know makes north of 80k, granted it's backbreaking work. I assume working in a factory such as semiconductors pays 6 figs, as an engineer or foreman of some kind.

If they are literally stamping parts together on an assembly line then I guess yeah it's not going to pay 100k.


Bringing back factory jobs isn’t bringing back the American dream. It’s just replacing the shitty gig work you have to do to barely get by with a shitty factory job that you have to do to barely get by. If they pay well, it’ll drive up the cost of goods a ton and still be unhelpful for people.


> if it paid 100k+ and meant owning a home someday

That is not going to happen.


how would a 40k a year manufacturing job help though? (real salary of someone I know in the field right now)


You would be able to afford a lot less if everything you bought was made in factories where every worker was paid north of $100k. That includes your home, by the way.


If you want to escape surveillance you will have to cultivate offline organization that communicates via carrier pigeon.


Can we please not make out-of-touch, old, rich people live any longer than they should.

They will be the only ones capable of affording this service. Reminds me of meths from the altered carbon series.


Technology always starts out being available to a subset of people before it's available for everyone. This is the path that leads to making it available to everyone.


I mean, if can mandate that "no out-of-touch, old, rich people" can "live longer than they should" to solve the problem, then we could ALSO solve the problem more directly and thoroughly by just mandating that "this is available to everyone". I don't make the rules, that's how this hypothetical works out if you think about it.


While I doubt it was the intent of the original poster's comment, there's no shortage of people who look forward to the death of old people they see as being in the way of change they desire.


Actually, I think you're wrong. That's a perspective you might get from watching certain news outlets, but if you get outside and touch some grass, meet your neighbors, you'll find that most people AREN'T cynical robots who have taken transhumanism to an eugenic extreme. Maybe just my experience, though.


I have spent years of my working life interacting almost solely through text and email, so this is believable to me.

If you live and work at home alone and don't order out food or socialize it is entirely possible to go days without speaking a word.

I used to spend entire summers alone as a child walking the forest in my backyard with my dog. I would speak to my parents at dinner but most of my world was quiet.

Speaking in person was very difficult for me as college student and something that I know I will never master because of the lack of verbal communication in my youth.

It's obviously not super common, but it is relatable to me that some people do live this way.


I don't know, I guess me, as a Brazilian, we just speak a lot, so sounds very insane for me!


God forbid men catch a break.


yea, so hard being a man… :)


lol you think its not hard being an ugly bald man? The amount of misogyny and resentment from men towards women would go down quite a lot if baldness had a cure...


Who catches breaks more than men?


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