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Probably because most people only read headlines (and maybe 3 paragraphs) combined with the fact that the US has a long history of doing what people are condemning them for, even if this particular instance probably wasn't a case of such behavior. Especially considering how the general sentiment towards the US has gotten bitter with constant threads of invasion of Denmark and Canada by their government.

Or it's just Russian and China socket accounts? Who knows...


I'm from Germany, and from an outsiders perspective I can only say that your argument wouldn't convince me.

I looked into the h1b for myself before, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to start my own successful business while on it.

You're aware that there will continue to be immigration without the h1b visa, right? That's just a common way big corporations use to import cheap labor, at least that's what I looked like to me - because id be fully at the mercy of the company I'd be unable to really negotiate my contracts etc

It's definitely possible to make an argument in favor of the program, but it's a lot more nuanced at the societal level - and I suspect overall net negative, because often the h1b visa recipients will transfer their money back to their home country, which makes this into a net-negative again.


> You're aware that there will continue to be immigration without the h1b visa, right? That's just a common way big corporations use to import cheap labor, at least that's what I looked like to me - because id be fully at the mercy of the company I'd be unable to really negotiate my contracts etc

I believe the parent is referring to the knock-on effects of all the other immigration enforcement actions.

I largely agree with you about h1b specifically but this move doesn't exist in isolation. It's increasingly clear that the US is determined to make life hard on immigrants in general (or at least harder) and this is just another data point.


> That's just a common way big corporations use to import cheap labor

In the case of H1B, they’re paid slightly more on average. It’s myth that they’re cheaper. Usually they’re a lot more expensive given the costs of dealing with the immigration process

> I suspect overall net negative, because often the h1b visa recipients will transfer their money back to their home country, which makes this into a net-negative again

Why is this a problem? So what if someone transfers money back home - that’s their money that they’re free to do what they want with. Most people are okay buying imported products and also don’t support exit taxes in other situations, so why single out immigrants?


You left out the context. It's not an issue at an individual level. I very explicitly stated that I was talking about societal level.

That means that the society is worse of if everyone does it

And importing goods is a good example why the scale matters. People usually import items worth maybe some small fraction of their yearly income, whereas some immigrants are known to sent back more then they spent locally.

Which is fine if they're actually world class talent, because then there will be very few people doing so, and their intellectual contributions likely offset any other issues. However, as you scale up the immigration percentage, it eventually does become a societal problem.

And the governments job is explicitly to look at the well being if the society - at least ideally. How much they actually do (vs just trying to siphon as much tax payer money as they can get away with) is another question I'm unqualified to say wrt the USA


I don't think anyone would've had an issue with buy to use, that's not their business model however.

As a matter of fact, I paid them 150€ for a "lifetime license" - because a long time ago, that was their business model.

I too left for jellyfin because of their pivot to being "Netflix" as paxys phrased it.

They just decided to throw away the market they established themselves into previously. Saltines should be expected at that.


That's one common reason for renting, not the only one.

I've rented trailers and various tools before too, not because I couldn't afford to buy them, but because I knew I wouldn't need them after the fact and wouldn't know what to do with them after.


Nonsense, it's just cheaper to pay someone without any rights 50c/h then to automate it

If that industry was still in the area, they'd be automating the shit outta it. It's just not worth it right now considering there are always literal wage slaves in some place they can ship in for their sweatshops

Also, even locally produced premium clothing uses materials sourced from literal slave labour. There is no consumer decision anywhere, because the immorally sourced materials are just too cheap... And if you're willing to pay a premium for your morals, someone in the middle will just take it and fulfill the order with the cheap stuff.


They have been trying. Clothing is hard to automate. It needs to stretch and flex which is a problem for machines. We need many different sizes which makes things harder

> If that industry was still in the area, they'd be automating the shit outta it.

... and the jobs that were provided go poof again.


Not all of them, even automated industry is generally good at the macro level

Oof, that makes the fact people flagged this seriously fucked up...

I actually made an error and cannot edit it. I should have written "previous deputy press secretary."

Consider that flagging may be for it being off-topic for HN.

Nothing off topic about it.

Isn't it If he leaves office at this point, or does it only sound like it from Europe?

They've been testing the waters for way to frequently with seemingly very little pushback... to me, a third presidency is basically guaranteed at this point - one way or another. If they need to falsify the results they'll rationalize it via the "stolen election"

If I was a gambling man I'd have already spend a few thousand on polymarket. I'm not though, so it'll abstain


> Isn't it If he leaves office at this point, or does it only sound like it from Europe?

While I appreciate your sentiment, we really need to stop with this specific type of pearl clutching.

The current president’s mental and physical condition is deteriorating rapidly. He will be lucky to make it through the current term in a functional state.

Adding another number of years to his time in office would mean that he almost literally would need to be propped up by his caretakers.

Is it possible? Sure. Is it probable? No, and it’s not even close, imho.

There is plenty of commentary that can be made about the political machine behind him, but let’s not project that to the dotard currently in office.


We should not have to count on the grim reaper to serve as backstop for failing political institutions.

"We don't need to worry about the guy making serious noises about an unconstitutional 3rd term because he might die in office" is a position that does not do anything about the problems that have allowed Trump to happen. Could even say it leaves fertile ground for the next populist authoritarian who comes along.

We must challenge the unitary executive theory. America is not intended to be a dictatorship or monarchy. It's not OK for Trump / those in his orbit to make comments about a 3rd term, it is a problem, it is something we need to take seriously.


> “We don't need to worry about the guy making serious noises about an unconstitutional 3rd term because he might die in office" is a position that does not do anything about the problems that have allowed Trump to happen. Could even say it leaves fertile ground for the next populist authoritarian who comes along.

> We must challenge the unitary executive theory. America is not intended to be a dictatorship or monarchy. It's not OK for Trump / those in his orbit to make comments about a 3rd term, it is a problem, it is something we need to take seriously.

This is all covered in my last paragraph (which, imho, is a separate issue from the current president):

“There is plenty of commentary that can be made about the political machine behind him, but let’s not project that to the dotard currently in office.”

The current president isn’t smart enough to do what it takes to stay in office more than two terms. This is all the work of those around him.

To be more pointed, fixating on Trump rather than the political and social machine around him — which many people seem to do — is missing the forest for the trees.


This isn't really trump, he's not the one with the plan, it's all project 2025 people, even Venezuela is a bullet point in it. There's about zero chance it ends with trump unless the cult of personality dies with him.

He's old and overweight. His presidency will end "one way or another".

Tailscale uses wireguard.

What it provides is a opinionated configuration management - which is admittedly great which is why I use it as well, but it's nonsensical to say tailscale works in places where wireguard is blocked.

You're likely just noticing the preconfigured nat traversal which tailscale provides and never set one up yourself, as you'd need a static IP for that and it's unconfigured by default.


> it's nonsensical to say tailscale works in places where wireguard is blocked

I have two machines on my desk, I configure a wg service on both. I also configure tailscale on both. Everything works.

I move one machine to another network, at a friend's place.

Wg does not work anymore. Tailscale works. So this is very much sensible to say what GP said.

Now, you can have all kinds of explanations about why wg dos not work and ts does, you know STUN, DERP, ts using wg under the hood, and whatnot but the facts are cruel: I cannot wg to my machine, but I can ts.


I was just pointing out that the statement wrt "wireguard being blocked while tailscale works" is nonsensical.

It remains nonsensical no matter how uninformed the user may be - even if he's proud of being such, as you seem to be.

This was not a discussion about what tool to use if the person doesn't know about networking and is generally ... "less technical".


Right, it’s that specific person’s Wireguard configuration, which is likely a typical one as a result of Wireguard‘s defaults. Tailscale‘s defaults work better, hence the surface-level impression that plain Wireguard does not work in cases in which Tailscale does.

As I said above - how would you set up plain Wireguard in a place without the possibility of exposing a port, or even that does not have a public IP - and initiate the connection from outside that place? I would love to learn something. Without rebuilding tailscale (or whatever other solutions with STUN or whatnot).

i think youre not hearing what - at least i - was saying.

I never said that running the same connectivity and NAT traversal via 2 nodes which are both inside of a NAT is possible. Neither did I ever claim you dont need a static public IP which _isnt_ behind a NAT / has an open port.

With Tailscale, these are being provided to you by them. Without them, you would have to maintain that yourself. This is a significant maintenance burder, which is why I - as in my very first comment you yourself responded to - pointed out that the service theyre providing is great and that i use it myself for that as well.

Nonetheless, _if wireguard was blocked, tailscaile wouldn't work either_

But its not blocked. Hence tailscale works. Just like wireguard would work, if you configured NAT traversal in some way. To get that working, you have multiple options, one of these being the STUN server. Another being an active participants in the VPN which facilitates the connection (not just the initiation, which the STUN server would be doing). easier to configure and maintain, but less performant.

Tailscale themselves actually have an incredibly indepth article on how they've implemented it on their end, its a little aged at this point, but I suspect they havent changed much (if any) since

https://tailscale.com/blog/how-nat-traversal-works


> i think youre not hearing what - at least i - was saying.

You said " it's nonsensical to say tailscale works in places where wireguard is blocked".

If by "blocked" you mean "blocked at the firewall level through some kind of adaptive block that will recognize a wireguard connection based on its behaviour/nature of packets/whatever" → then yes, of course tailscale will not work either as it uses wg under the hood.

If the OP message "tailscale has a much better chance to work when you need it most. WireGuard is blocked by too much stuff" means "I installed wireguard and it does not work (because whatever) but tailscale consistently delivers" → then it is not nonsensical at all. It is the right tool to start with.

> Tailscale themselves actually have an incredibly indepth article on how they've implemented it on their end

This is an excellent documentation to which I refer people as well.


> even if he's proud of being such, as you seem to be

Of course on Internet nobody knows you are a dog. But hey, I may be someone who wrote a part of the Linux kernel in 1994, ran IT operations for a company that was big (big!) and then almost vanished (not my fault :)) and produces open source that you may have even used if you are "technical" as you say.

And set up WG in so many places, including a frontend that unfortunately did not get the worldwide success it should have :)

With this modest introduction - tailscale works where wireguard does not. I am not sure why my example was not obvious. You can reach the machine at my friend's with tailscale, not with plain wireguard. Of course if you open ports in the right places then yes! And check a few more things.

Now - how would you set up plain Wireguard in a place without the possibility of exposing a port, or even that does not have a public IP - and initiate the connection from outside that place? I would love to learn something. Without rebuilding tailscale (or whatever other solutions with STUN or whatnot).


Hmm, it does line up with that from my perspective too.

It's just a different way to say "you're the product, not the customer" if you look at the statement from a neutral perspective - the whale being the actual customer, who changes all the time depending on what Microsoft MBAs think might have the highest potential value they can extract.


>the whale being the actual customer, who changes all the time depending on what Microsoft MBAs think might have the highest potential value they can extract.

Who's the "whale" in this context? Windows users who subscribe to copilot? Enterprise? Advertisers?


Enterprise.

Urm, the release date of the movie is not actually an indicator wherever what he said was true or not.

It's more then likely the backstory he outlined, which is I believe a minor subplot non-essential to the main story of the movie - has been added like this precisely because that was the theme of the song.

Because this was actually made by humans, they frequently talk with each other when making art in collaboration


This particular sequence in the movie (which is actually named Interstella 5555) is one of the most important ones in the plot.

Discovery has been explained many times by DP to be about childhood, not having any specific "theme" besides mixing disco and rock. Hence the name "disco very" and the "pun" in Veridis Quo. (which also happens to be a major sequence in the movie. Although DP never cared to enter the details of that particular composition, most likely memory hole'd by the protagonists.)

So no, this is definitely not the theme of the song. There are several years between the actual songwriting and the release of the movie. Heck, if you actually see the movie, the ending sequence kinda explains that this is "one" of many interpretations of the record...

Taking a look at past interviews, it is more likely that 5555 is about what surrounded the actual release of Discovery (hugely anticipated sequel to a magnum opus that was wildly different from expectations) rather than an idea that was here from the start; see also Human After All for a continuation on this theme.


> the "pun" in Veridis Quo

I can't believe I've only just learned about this


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