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... I don't think they're detonating a nuclear weapon in a National Monument 50 miles from a large US city...

There are plenty of better places for them to do this.


NTS was 60-80 mi away from Las Vegas.

yes there might be safer locations for an underground nuclear test, but how many of them offer the same "F U" PR capacity relative to Mexico/Juarez/cartels, etc.


A nuclear weapon is only "F U" PR to cartels if you believe they're literally braindead, which given that they run massive international businesses, I suspect they're not.

Nukes mean nothing to a cartel. What an insane idea.


It’s probably not SOP to land nuclear weapons at the municipal airport either.

There is a military base with its own airfield located within El Paso basically right next to El Paso International Airport.

Mistakes happen though

Hormones do a lot all over your body.

You're commenting on a paper that specifically found OA improvement without weight loss improvement...


Eh, my grandfather lived through World War 2 and he was a lot less confident that "we have gone through worse times" than you are.

Physical comforts are a small piece of the equation.


> It's not that being a parent is harder - it's actually easier (excluding the post-WWII American boom years which were a fluke).

Why would it be easier today?

You used to just open your door and go let your kids run around and hope they're back before dinner. Absolutely nothing like today's ultracompetitive, ultra-regimented world.


This. I know me and all my peers roamed the neighborhood and my wife's life was not that different despite being born on different continents. Doing the same now risks a visit from state child neglect referral, which is enough to give most a pause. Parents seem to get all the risk and less benefits, while getting the stink eye when kid is not behaving properly.

In short, I am entirely confused on what would be easier today. If anything, things have gotten exponentially worse.. if you care enough to do it right.


Kids aren't dying in childbirth, for one.

Well sure, that doesn't really make parenting itself easier/harder.

> You used to just open your door and go let your kids run around and hope they're back before dinner.

Still works this way in my suburban Ohio world

> today's ultracompetitive, ultra-regimented world.

though yes I see this in the childhood sport arena, club teams, traveling teams, etc.


>Still works this way in my suburban Ohio world

I don't mean this in a derogatory fashion... but to be blunt I've only seen this in black and impoverished neighborhoods. There needs to be enough working single moms releasing their kid out of necessity that the Karens can't snitch on everyone and the police/CPS fatigue of fielding the calls after investigating and not finding anyone they can force into keeping the kids inside.


Needs significant UI polish IMO. Anyone from the Zulip team care to chime in if there's appetite for this? I could take a look at contributing if so. Just the project getting to this level of maturity without significant polish sort of triggers the "maybe maintained by people who just don't value it that much" alarms?

Not true. As mentioned elsewhere, plenty of people were not in fact violating any laws when this happened to them.

Here's another case. In this one, the government targeted someone who had violated no laws for exercising the 1st Amendment rights afforded to every individual in our country.

https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2025-04/FIRE%20Ozt...


Yes, two of them were just killed. Does that qualify as "having a tough time?"

And how many people live in Minnesota? What were they doing when they were killed?

I don't get your point. What proportion of residents does an event need to negatively impact for you to believe that it's hassling people?

Surely it can't be 100%, right? No event in any major city, even horrific events, actually affect everyone.


How many illegal aliens were killed in Minnesota?

What's the ratio of citizens to non-citizens that's okay? One citizen per every hundred or are you thinking 10-1?

Have you considered they could maybe just stop interfering with federal law enforcement and let them do their jobs as they have been doing for decades under all sorts of administrations? You'll be hard pressed to find a tear shed for agitators protecting illegal immigrant criminals with deportation orders.

Neither you nor anyone else believes this is how immigration enforcement has been done "for decades under all sorts of administrations."

You can make it appear as if you have a better grasp on reality by just acknowledging that this is a much different enforcement mechanism than we've seen in the past, but you think that's okay.

Anyway there are now several known cases of people being detained or deported without deportation orders. This is another point that you could at least give the appearance of honesty and grasp on reality by acknowledging.


You're right that immigration enforcement in the past did not have to deal with mobs trying to interfere with that enforcement.

DHS's own data proves that current enforcement priorities have changed.

So what's more probable in your mind?

( Hypothesis A ) -- Mobs trying to interfere with law enforcement has caused DHS to focus on arresting and deporting immigrants without criminal background

( Hypothesis B ) -- DHS's focus on arresting and deporting immigrants without criminal background has required significant scale-up of personnel with minimal training (validated by DHS's own data) and required tactics that a large number of Americans believe to strike an unacceptable cost-benefit balance

( Hypothesis C ) -- The two facts (enforcement approach and public response) are not causally related to each other at all


It's telling you chose to not answer the question and instead chose to introduce a different (straw man) question in response.

At least people in the past had the integrity to acknowledge their positions head-on. One of the lamentable things missing today


Interfering with federal law enforcement is not punishable by summary execution.

Huh? Did you respond to the wrong comment?

> What were they doing when they were killed?

One was returning from dropping off her 6 year old child at school.

The other was videotaping ICE activity with one hand while holding out the other hand to show he was no was no threat.

What is your point, exactly? Neither was doing anything illegal, neither was directly trying to interfere with ICE actions. (The first wasn't trying to interfere at all.)

Although normally I'd say wait for the full evidence to be revealed, in this case (1) there's already a wealth of evidence from bystanders, and (2) the investigations are actively being interfered with so official evidence is not forthcoming.

Those are the 2 citizens killed. CBP and ICE killed at least 25 other people in the field and at least 30 died in custody (one source cites 30-32, another 44).

Apparently, the violence is necessary to deport at (checks notes) a lower rate than Biden's. It might make sense if the current enforcement was aimed at serious criminals, but only the rhetoric is. The current enforcement is much less selective. More damage, less gain.


A corollary I don't see mentioned enough by the morons who believe there are roving hordes of violent illegal criminals:

Let's assume there was. Then what on earth is the administration doing tracking down and putting cuffs on so many people who do not fit in that category?

Every seat in a detention center, courtroom, or plane filled by a random guy stopped in the Home Depot parking lot is a seat taken away from one of these allegedly numerous violent rapist/murders/whatever.

So even if you were stupid enough to believe all the transparent bullshit from this gang of liars, they'd still be fucking awful!

All this stuff does, in addition to squelching public appetite for immigration enforcement writ large, is keeps the actual bad guys inside the country even longer!


You keep moving the goalposts that much and maybe the patriots can win the Super Bowl.

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There has been no such thing.

Just curiously, what do you personally get out of lying constantly in this thread?

It's not a lie to point out the truth. Words have meaning and wantonly applying the most scariest sounding words you can find does not help your cause.

Dopamine.

Or just beaten, locked up, abused, then released, because after all they had never done anything wrong to begin with!

never done anything wrong to begin with

Except illegally migrate to the US without applying or engaging in human traffic and smuggling.

You may not like it, but the USA is still a nation of laws. It's also a modern nation. Third world shitholes have lots of problems caused by illegal immigration because they don't do enough to enforce the law and restore order for their citizens.

I'm rather glad that US culture hasn't yet turned into another Afghanistan or Pakistan.


No, including illegal immigration. There are people who have immigrated fully legally within the boundaries of the laws of our nation and still gotten targeted, detained, arrested, and even deported.

There are American citizens getting stopped and harassed for their papers.

It's always hilarious hearing the "America can't become one of those shithole countries!" while advocating for policies and attitudes that are pervasive in said shithole countries.

Here are a few examples of said violations by our government: https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118180/documents/...


Now show me the country where law enforcement does not occasionally happen to inconvenience people who in the end turn out to be innocent.

Are you also going to call for ban of all vaccines because they or the methods in which they are administered can in rare cases be fatal?


Can't edit my prior comment, but anyway here are some thoughts from a Founding Father, 2nd President of the United States, and leader of the American Revolution, John Adams:

> We are to look upon it as more beneficial, that many guilty persons should escape unpunished, than one innocent person should suffer. The reason is, because it’s of more importance to community, that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt should be punished; for guilt and crimes are so frequent in the world, that all of them cannot be punished; and many times they happen in such a manner, that it is not of much consequence to the public, whether they are punished or not. But when innocence itself, is brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will exclaim, it is immaterial to me, whether I behave well or ill; for virtue itself, is no security. And if such a sentiment as this, should take place in the mind of the subject, there would be an end to all security what so ever

Lots of wisdom in this


Where did I call for a ban on anything?

I'm simply calling for my government to obey the Constitution.

If they can't execute these operations without violating people's rights, then uhh... they can't execute these operations. That's not me "banning" anything, that's just called "following the law." Violating people's Constitutional rights (even immigrants', even illegal immigrants'!) is already banned.


It's not a crime to be an unauthorized resident of the United States; it's a civil offense. Knowingly hiring an ineligible worker is a crime, however. I'm curious why we aren't going after the employers attracting and hiring undocumented residents.

Besides, people were being deported in significant numbers across multiple presidents in both parties without resorting to the strategy and tactics of the current administration.


I know they were. But when Obama and Clinton were doing it, one of the big differences was that there were not all these Karens blowing whistles and interfering with those operations. The difference is that now there are far more deranged people who want to take the law into their own hands, and often these people are violently attacking law enforcement.

I don't like having these conversations, and I don't consider myself a defender of the current ICE. It's far from a perfect organisation and it has a lot of problems.

But it seems clear to me that the concept of law and an ordered society has taken a big hit. Trump Derangement Syndrome is not an excuse to allow that to evaporate in Minneapolis and all the other cities with extremely violent protests and attacks on law enforcement.


It seems you're under the belief that the Karens blowing whistles is creating the different enforcement mechanism.

Can you explain how this is not disproven by:

1) POTUS's own statements for years prior to taking power that he would enact a totally different kind of immigration enforcement regime

2) The massive budget increase and personnel surge for ICE, planned at least several months before Trump even took power

3) DHS policy memos shared days after Trump taking power that claimed nationwide expansion of expedited removal powers

4) Declaration of expansive state powers under AEA, also planned months before taking power and therefore months before any public resistance to immigration enforcement

These are all extremely, extremely aberrational actions and policy decisions, all of which contribute to the current facts on the ground in Minneapolis and elsewhere, and none of which were in response to Karens blowing whistles.

What evidence do you have that Karens are causing the enforcement shift, versus the enforcement shift causing the Karens, given that the enforcement shifts were planned for months before the Karens even had any whistles to blow?


> You may not like it, but the USA is still a nation of laws.

I would love it if the US was a country of laws, but the rule of law has been quite thoroughly killed by the Trump administration. It wasn't very effective even before Trump, as you can see by how the prosecution of Trump's crimes got blocked or derailed every step of the way, but after his election, the Constitution has gone completely out of the window.

> Third world shitholes have lots of problems caused by illegal immigration because they don't do enough to enforce the law and restore order for their citizens.

Their problems don't come from illegal immigration. Not even a bit. Unless you use it as a euphemism for colonialism. The real problem there is corruption and a lack of rule of law. And the US is heading in that same direction fast.

> I'm rather glad that US culture hasn't yet turned into another Afghanistan or Pakistan.

Republicans are working on that.


Do you actually believe every person getting abused is an illegal immigrant, or are you just pretending because it's the only way to make your point?

Pretty sure consumers would still buy all the nice downstream products even if they damaged their own backyards.

Evidence: Long history of us doing exactly that.

Valuing convenience, modern products etc does not mean one "doesn't care" about the negative externalities, just like going out to eat at a nice restaurant doesn't mean someone "doesn't care" about saving money.


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