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Rightmove, the property sales website, absolutely destroyed local journalism in the UK. It was written on the wall, but local newspapers had all the local listings for property and other services. A local newspaper was 60%+ of house sales, but that advertising revenue paid for local journalists to sit and read council papers and attend meetings and get people out in the community. Nowadays, local journalism, even from national broadcasters like the BBC is a shadow of its former glory.

It’s interesting that property ads, and classifieds more broadly, benefit from a centralized platform but journalism itself does not. It’s an uneven impact of the technology shift from printing presses to digital. Why didn’t the drop in publishing costs make local journalism MORE accessible?

Perhaps it did in minor ways. Facebook Groups, NextDoor, CraigsList, etc make it easy for anyone to share information with their neighbors. Turns out most people just want to sell something or complain about nothing. These activities benefit the author but nobody else.

Local journalism has benefitted a little bit from this dynamic. Regional news organizations put together decent digital platforms and run articles. But they don’t seem to pay as well… again because the revenue spread out.

Honestly, I’d love to treat local journalism as a public good. Could you fund a credible local newspaper through taxes? It’d be WAY cheaper than a school or police station.

The problem is: how can you trust part of the government to keep an eye on the rest of the government?

Perhaps you could impose a mandatory journalism fee based on the municipal budget. Whatever you spend, a sliver goes to the journalists for oversight.

Local governments spend about $2700 per person. Population of 10,000 means a budget of $27M. Give 1% of that to a journalist and you have $270k… enough for a salary, website and some equipment.

You could require that money be paid to a non-profit as a grant. Probably better to elect an Editor in Chief though… that way you can appeal directly to the citizens for validation of the oversight. If you just pay a non-profit, they’ll be incentivized to serve whoever writes the grant… which would be the people you’re trying to hold accountable.


What you're describing is a lot like NPR. Which was great, until the people in power decided to pull that funding.

The problem with the government is it doesn't like oversight. So in this situation, you need to devise a scheme where the government is forced to pay something, but also has no control over that money. Which is a hard problem.


I don't know that I would describe NPR as "great". One specific example that sticks in my mind was a story they did about firearms. The host kept using the word "automatic". Knowing something about firearms, it was apparent to me that it was being used as shorthand for "not a revolver", but the host was implying that it meant "machine gun". Revolvers are so uncommon that there's really not any useful value being passed in attaching the word "automatic" when describing a gun unless you're describing something that is subject to the NFA.

Or, more recently, there was a deep dive into the Chicago parking meter deal. I don't think anyone needs convincing that it was a bad deal, but one thing that they said was that the new owners have "already received back all the money they paid out". Okay, but please expand. This was for an economics show, so is the recovery just a gross dollar comparison (e.g. they've received back more than $1.1B), is it inflation adjusted, does it exceed the time value of the money that was given to the Daley administration? It wouldn't have taken but another 30 seconds to make it clear, but by not saying I'm 99% certain they were focusing on gross dollar comparison and ignoring the value of 2008 dollars vs. 2025 dollars. In turn, that sounds like it's playing towards the audience members that don't understand why the total of payments for their mortgage is so much more than the purchase price of the house.


It doesn’t seem insurmountable. A simple tax credit that reduces taxable income when someone spends money on journalism could make a real difference.

Yeah I remember going through those pages as a kid; my local "chronicle" had loads in.

I love Rightmove as a shopper, but it's 2nd-4th order effects have been disastrous.

There have been attempts to unseat Rightmove (e.g. boomin) but it's such a behemoth in it's industry that is tantamount to wanting to unseat Google.


If you are selling a house you have to list on rightmove. You're not going to choose to list on fewer sites. The question then comes if you're selling, why list anywhere else.

As a buyer it's terrible - I want to be able to see size of property (from the EPC, as I trust that more than the estate agent), the sale history, the EPC data, the council tax band, the map of the plot.

I can find that all out manually by hunting for the real address and going from there, but it should be there directly (and filterable)

As a seller you're forced to use rightmove as that's where all the buyers are

As a buyer you're forced to use rightmove as that's where all the sellers are

As a competitor how can you argue to an estate agent they should spend money with you as well as rightmove


Tech industry walked right into this one, well done Musk.

UK government publicly making a fool of itself is probably not counter to the interests of Elon Musk at all... His political faction have been keen to insult the British government whenever possible. The more absurd their public enemies act, the more reasonable they look in comparison.

Musk is implicitly allowing child pornography on his platform. There's no way around that. Apple/Google should have removed X a while ago.

> Musk is implicitly allowing child pornography on his platform.

That is blatantly false and you know it. Musk has lot to answer for but we don't need to start making up imaginary crimes here.

> Apple/Google should have removed X a while ago.

Those who ask willy-nilly for censorship always end up being surprised when the systems comes after them in the end as it always does.

If tomorrow Apple and Google ban an app that you like, will you still agree that censorship is ok?


Come on now. That's obviously not true. CSAM is absolutely banned on twitter, and all other American platforms.

Grok AI generating child pornography has been a leading news story in the British press for the past few days.

to make the censorship more palatable to the general public.

All images uploaded to twitter, or any other lawful American social media platform, are perceptually hashed and checked against databases of known CSAM. Computer generated pornography, while obviously odious, is not technically illegal in the US. And in either case, twitter has been a dumping ground of such crap for as long as it has existed. In short, with all due respect, get a grip.

All of what you said could be true and it'd *still* be wrong for Grok to be allowed to generate it.

All Musk actually needed to say was "oh fuck, we'll fix that". Instead, he responded with laughing emojiis and nothing's changed.

> is not technically illegal in the US

Bully for you.

X is operating in the UK and it *is* illegal here (and not just here). X can either comply with our laws (and the associated moral standards) or it can cease operating here.

There's weird nerd diving in front of Musk to defend him and then there's defending his AI generating CSAM. Neither's a good look, but one is much worse than the other


Saying that Musk should stop his bot from generating underage waifus is fine and agreeable, but construing that with actual CSAM is plainly manipulative. Of course, the British media has long been known for ""nonce"" hysteria, probably because they know the government and royales are degenerate criminals but don't have the spine to go against the local establishment for it, so instead they redirect that energy in bizarre directions.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_U-7L1tmBAo


What makes you think this is an appropriate response to someone telling you what's been published in newspapers?

"It's not child porn because AI made it" is quite the take.

And people wonder why the UK introduces all of these bloody laws...


It's still child porn. Now it's child porn that won't match existing hashes! What a great innovation X!

Grok nudifying images of children or woman in replies is not a good thing.


Then why does Musk refuse to fix 'Grok' and allow it to produce CSAM? Is this what the billionaire class want? AI everywhere and then hide behind "it's not the AI doing it, it's the users prompting it!".

> Is this what the billionaire class want?

The billionaire class loves this type of shit, just look at the epstein files


This is the experience of the lottery for a single person so the chances of winning is low. But lotteries are played by millions. Simulate that experience.


I've been bad... but I'm not all bad, boop boop de boop!


James by Percival Everett

Five Decembers by James Kestrel

The Names by Florence Knapp

The King in Yellow by Robert Chambers

A Short Stay in Hell by Steven Peck


We went to America to see some family and we were discussing books and we were shocked that they had never heard of Julia Donaldson and Axel Scheffler who are an absolute staple of UK kids book culture (so much so that they adapt one of her books as animations for each Christmas). So if they aren't on your radar, then they come highly recommended.

https://axelscheffler.com/who-is-he https://www.juliadonaldson.co.uk/books/


The Gruffalo is quite popular in the US. Michelle Obama even read it on PBS Kids during the covid lock down era.

https://www.pbs.org/about/about-pbs/blogs/news/mondays-with-...


What a genius, what an idiot.


The 'and also' indicates that he means terrible, and this person has no taste.


You have no taste. TF2 had such a bland, emptyheaded story and a weightless mech experience that it literally hurts anyone above 110 IQ.


What FPS stories you think were good?


Story is just one part of the overall experience. Good is an exaggeration, but not braindead and bland is a good start. There are many like HL, Hexen, Heretic, Blood, NOLF, Bioshock, System shock 1 to name a few.


We have one in our office.


A post destined to be a self-help bestseller. I look forward to the If Books Could Kill episode.


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