Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | Falkvinge's commentslogin

It's like how the Inuit have 35 words for "snow", or the Swedish have 51 words for "tax evasion". Some cultures have a need for nuances that necessarily gets reflected into the local language, nuances which will be lost when bluntly translating into the one category-level word in English.


The Inuit example is a common misconstrual [0]. The ancestor language has three root words that they might modify with a suffix in the way we might use a phrase 'snow on the ground'.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow


It is reasonably common in the voicing part of the acting industry, when a famous name turns you down, that you instead turn to a voice imitator to give a performance that's reminiscent of a number of factors (kind of sounding like this other person, for example).

This way, legally you're in the clear, because you didn't use the voice of X. Not on any occasion did you use the voice of X. You even paid a voicer to make your recordings, and it's their voice.

Morally, it can be - and probably is - a different matter.


> It is reasonably common in the voicing part of the acting industry, when a famous name turns you down, that you instead turn to a voice imitator

Citation needed.

Even when VAs are recast for reasons beyond control (death, unavailability, aging child voice, health, etc.), they are only similar, not imitations. Happened in a lot of anime.


Yet, legal opinions seems to differ : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40423224


I think, as with most things, it’s slightly more legally ambiguous if the person you’re copying/whatever is rich enough to have good lawyers and a strong media presence.

You can argue about these morality of that, but I think it’s reasonably true, practically.

Thus, it got taken down.


Especially given the very clear cut case here of the AI company deliberately cloning the voice of the most recognisable and human-like AI voice from fiction. And also tweeting that they’d done exactly that. And then lying that it was a coincidence. It wouldn’t stand up in court which is why they got rid of it – I’m sure that if Sam Altman and his counsel believed that they could beat ScarJo in court then we’d still be listening to “Sky”.


> the most recognisable and human-like AI voice from fiction

No, that would be either cortana or Majel Barrett Roddenberry.


Not HAL?


I think the problem with HAL is that some people would recognize the attitude, not the voice ;D

(i.e. I'm not sure if I would jump to "that's HAL!" if it weren't in disobeyance and vaguely threatening…)


I’m sure “Majel” is in the pipeline.

Would the everywoman on the street be able to recognise Majel over Scarlett? I don’t believe so.


I don't think most people recognized Scarlett either, and if so, they recognized her not from "Her" but generally as an actor


They didn’t clone her voice


Why do people think they need an actor? You can recreate a voice from just a few seconds of audio today. Do that and then mix in some fair use modifiers to CYA.


Hurra: yet another way for the NSA to exfiltrate data from my keyboard.


Do you have fingers forged from the core of a neutron star? :D


Fair enough. In Sweden (my native country), the primary factors for a good credit rating are assets, income, and the lack of mismanaged credit.


I'll support most entities - not only corporations - that put people's rights ahead of government agencies' data cleptocracy.


Even the ones that grossly misrepresent the services they provide?

PIAs marketing straight up exploits people who aren't tech savvy enough to understand that the promises they make are meaningless.


I'm writing quite a bit about this in the leadership handbook Swarmwise - how being leaderless prevented Occupy WS from achieving long-term goals or direction.

http://falkvinge.net/books/


Carbyne is a quite logical name, considering the -y- vowel (and even the -yne ending) is used to denote triple bonding between carbon atoms in organic chemistry.

Compare ethane - ethyne (single bond - triple bond), for example.


I'd have to agree. But it's not about everybody converging on one project, as implied in the question; it's everybody doing their part to create a huge decentralized mesh - decentralized and uncontrollable.

Most people live in the here and now; if things don't affect their daily lives, it's not worth attention. But we're all intelligent enough to see where things are heading. We're also all intelligent enough to know that we can at least mitigate the effects of expected developments through coding a few tools.

The more people that think of such tools, the better. But that's not enough. Being a bit blunt, ideas don't count for shit on their own. The more people that sit down to code such tools from those ideas, the better.


Shout-out to my activist colleagues down under. Good to see y'all.


Yes.


Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: