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Wouldn't the reduced size only mean that there would be fewer politicians to pay off? If you mean that a smaller government equals a government with no power, then why have a government at all?


"Reducing the size of government" means to reduce the power of government, not the proportion of representation.


Hurrah, so the people who would be bribed wouldn't be publicly accountable officials - they would be whoever we handed the power to.


I don't think you understand. The point is to either eliminate the power, or make it extremely diffuse. That way, there is nothing to purchase.


Look, even if we enacted every single liberfantastic idea on shrinking government, there's still more than enough to make it worth bribing people. Really, all you need is to have a legislature, are you proposing we get rid of that?

The way to fight corruption is by fighting corruption, not by giving us things like the Citizens' United ruling (which is in fact less government, yet eminently more bribable).


But that's throwing out the baby with the bathwater. The wealthiest countries in the world have large governments and don't have these problems. Just outlaw lobbying(bribing) of officials. Outlaw political campaign advertising. Better yet, as I mention above, allow the people to better represent themselves using technology. There are a thousand ways to apply the brakes -- killing the engine is maybe not the best.


The wealthiest countries in the world have large governments

I'm not sure that trying to emulate the [other] wealthiest countries is the best of goals. Doesn't that ensure that we will be, optimally, second best? Given that corruption is endemic everywhere, including those other wealthy countries, isn't it worthwhile to strive for something better?

Outlaw political campaign advertising

That's just another way of saying "Throw out the 1st Amendment and outlaw freedom of speech". That is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

allow the people to better represent themselves using technology.

What makes you think that the electorate as a whole can do any better. Consider the rampant ignorance of the issues in our voting today. And on top of that, most people aren't simply ignorant, but just plain wrong about matters of statistics and economics. I'm inclined to believe that the result would be far worse.


I'm not sure that trying to emulate the [other] wealthiest countries is the best of goals.

You don't have to mimic, but it does give a very strong indication that size of government isn't the problem.

[Outlaw political campaign advertising is] just another way of saying "Throw out the 1st Amendment and outlaw freedom of speech".

Nice try. No, this is "access to media." And currently it's controlled by the wealthy when it should be more democratically controlled.

What makes you think that the electorate as a whole can do any better.

That's funny, because the entire history of the world has been a ruling class not wanting to give up power because they don't "trust" the commoners, when all evidence has been that the greater the democracy, the greater the success. You can take the king; I'll take the people, every time.


it does give a very strong indication that size of government isn't the problem

Not necessarily. It may be that size of government is a problem, but those other countries have encountered a different bottleneck before reaching it.

Nice try. No, this is "access to media."

If you're saying that I won't be allowed to put up a billboard saying "Senator Smith is a rat", or take out a newspaper ad saying the same, then you have shot the 1st Amendment squarely between the eyes.

all evidence has been that the greater the democracy, the greater the success. You can take the king; I'll take the people, every time.

I think you're arguing in circles. For one thing, there are still a lot of monarchies in the world, many of them quite free.

But more important, the entire point that you're arguing against is (if you'll excuse me for paraphrasing; I hope I'm not making a strawman): "It seems to me that the real solution is to dramatically limit the size of government, so that there is nothing to be bought"

That is, the top post in this thread wants to strip away the power of government, and allow people to make their own decisions (including using the power of the market to constrain the action of corporations seen to be doing bad things).

But you seem to be saying that in this case people cannot be trusted, so we need to give additional power to the government to constrain runaway corporations, and in particular to keep those very same corrupt politicians from selling out.

This is self-contradictory in two ways:

First, you've said on the one hand that you'll take power away from the government and vest it in the people, "every time" -- yet in order to support this, you're proposing that we do just the opposite (i.e., prevent people from voicing their opinions as widely as they feel warranted).

Second, you're postulating that the politicians are corrupt and can't be trusted. Yet your solution relies on giving them more power to limit our political behavior. It seems like you're giving them our weapons while telling them "use these guns to ensure that you don't shoot us".


Put up a billboard? No. Purchase access to mass media. There are only so many soap boxes and access is sold for money. You then get the situation where the one who has the most money can purchase all the soap boxes (again, ways to reach a mass audience). Their voice becomes the only one heard. Free speech is that you can say whatever you want (that doesn't change) -- but if you want access to the few seats of mass media to give political voice, if it's not regulated, it simply becomes the microphone of only the rich. Do you see?

Second, when you talk about "reducing government" what you mean is to shift it from the people to the private sector. Government is the people. That's the definition. It needs to be managed. But moving it to the private sector just makes it for-profit instead of non-profit, and opens up a whole new can of worms.

Again, look around. Countries with the highest standards of living are not struggling with this. Their large governments are not a problem, and in fact could be nicely argued to have provided that high standard of living.


"Doesn't that ensure that we will be, optimally, second best?"

No, it doesn't. Keep the things that work for us, and then take a look at the things that we're having problems with (lobbying, healthcare) and steal any solutions that look better.

Just because Apple stole the GUI from Xerox didn't mean they had to steal Xerox's business plan for it, or their management structure. And I don't think anyone's claiming they wound up 2nd best to Xerox.


> The wealthiest countries in the world have large governments

The largest governments: Soviet Union, Third Reich, North Korea, etc.


This is true, but it doesn't just get there by magic. There's still need for "real programmers" behind the scenes.


but on the other hand it's even "clunkier" to copy and paste from a paper book.


I find that disturbing, one of the first things I do after a clean install of windows is to check the "Show Hidden Files", which was hard to find in Windows 7 :/ I thought most tech savvie people did that?


I wonder why you say it was hard to find - it's always been under the View tab in Folder Options.

Maybe because of the Control Panel revamp, or the fact that the menu-bar is hidden by default in Explorer windows?


I've been using Windows 7 at work for about a year, and I had absolutely no idea that the menu will show up when I hit the alt key until exactly 2 days ago. Every time I needed something from it I'd just rummage around all the visible menus, not find it, curse my head off and open up the command prompt.

I'm not sure which will look dumber as a consequence of this post: me or the Windows 7 UI.


Don't feel too bad. I've been using Windows 7 since shortly after it came out and I had no idea until I just read your post.


It's due to the hidden menu, same drill with Office 2010 and finding "Save As.." etc, I've never been much for just using the keyboard, I like using the mouse to navigate the menus ;)


I don't. I generally leave that off, especially on my mac. If I want to see hidden files, I launch a terminal and list all files.


the reports I read said there was a gunfight, so I guess the police got shot at too. But that story might have changed?


The most recent reports I've seen said that two shots had been fired: one was lodged in a police radio in a police car, the other killed the suspect.

The bullet recovered from the radio matched ammunition issued to the Met., and was likely fired by them, not the suspect.


I have 1.5GB of RAM and I usually have ~15-20 tabs open without any performance hits on chrome, (including Eclipse, Skype, filezilla calc, evernote etc etc open). Maybe there's something wrong with your install?


Same here; right now I have FF open with 30 tabs and Chromium with 10 (including Angry Birds, installed version) in a 2GB laptop and it's fine.


Yeah, and I bet they lock their houses when they leave for work and that's like not open at all! </sarcasm>


Do you have anything to back up that claim?

My sister is in that range and she and most of her friends pay for content when they can, or so she tells me.


I don't think you have to worry about getting stuck due to the cold, I don't think the phone will get cold enough for that to happen.


I haven't seen any hype surrounding google+ except for HN and other similar communities. I don't think the regular FB user is even aware that google+ is in testing phase, or that google is even working on anything like it. Heck, how many have heard of google wave outside of the geek circle?


For the UK the BBC news, daily mail, the sun etc to name a few are running the story.


Yeah, add the guardian to that. I think most outlets are talking about it.

Suspense is all very well, but Google really need to let us in soon or they're going to miss out on the wave of free hype.

Anyone who fancies sending me an invite, my email is jonnie at cleverna dot me


I've been sent an invite, thanks to whoever sent that, but it turns out I can't use the damn thing because I have a google apps account set up for my domain, just like everyone else here probably does.

Plus requires a google profile in order to use it, and Apps accounts can't have profiles. Apparently someone from google has said this will be coming "soon."

WTF google? Hasn't it occurred to you that the set of power users/evangelists/early adopters and the set of people who have their own apps account on their domain might overlap a bit?

This isn't so much dropping the ball, it's bordering on an own goal.

Any googlers reading this: sort it out. Or go and bother the nearest person responsible for sorting it out, lest my disappointment spill over into murderous rage.


You need to set up profile switching.


I didn't realize it had hit mainstream media, I guess swedish media is behind as usual (or I'm reading the wrong sort of mainstream media)


I thought the same about Chrome when it was released, then one day there was a link in the Google Search homepage telling everyone about it.


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